why are they so many AS fakers?

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<--- Wishes he can count spilled matches on the floor and count cards. Rain Man.
<--- Wishes he can look briefly at a stabbed victim and know there are 71 wounds. Dr. Spencer Reid.
<--- Wishes he had his own indoor planetarium. Adam.
<--- Wishes he can mind meld, had the strength of 10 men and had a Vulcan deadly grip. Mr. Spock.
<--- Wishes he can leap over tall buildings with a single bound. Superman.

O, yes, the lovely, you just don't/didn't try like us, argument.

If you have an ASD, no label will change your ability to adapt to society. What does this is your level of impairment in the ways outlined.

I never said others don't try hard enough. In fact I very clearly stated that it's a spectrum disorder with variations in high or low function. I certainly am not perfect at faking normality. It's just that I had no idea what was going on with me and how to feel normal. Things didn't come naturally to me, so I had to learn them. They are still an effort. Was I supposed to invent a disorder on my own to explain myself to myself? I learned social skills because I had no choice. It was learn enough to be able to keep a job or be HOMELESS. Thanks so much for jumping all over my case about it. Sheesh! Now back off!

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It's about time to bid Rain man farewell.

<--- Wishes he could hold on to a job for more than a few month without turning into a basket case.

Differentiating between European and American is less than accurate, perhaps you meant SD15 and SD16? Or did you point out the differences in cultures? or race?

All I meant were to actually put some numbers on the definition of "normal or higher IQ", since thats thrown around alot in regards to Asperger's Syndrome.

Normal Distribution & IQ Scores:
50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110
68% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115
96% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130
99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140

What is normal? if you are like 96% of everyone else? if you are like 68% of everyone else? ..it certainly cant be if you are only like 50% of everyone else!?

Keep in mind, we are not talking about "average" here, what is thrown around is "normal". If being like only 50% of everyone else is being normal, then yes, you are almost correct, "normal" would be between 90 and 110. But I believe its more correct to say normal is when you are within what 96% of what everyone else scores, aka between 70 and 130.

I do not disagree with your first claim about IQ and Aspergers, I only wanted to put a number on it.


Not your fault. At all. My conflict is with the author of that webpage you found this information, not with you. Infact, you can reach the flaming hotline of that website here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt200645.html

I didn't mean differences in cultural background and/or race. That would be a ridiculous assumption.
There is a difference between the meaning of iq scores between Europe and America and furthermore, there is only a small percentage that scores 70 and an almost equally small percentage that scrores a 130, which means that these scores are not average and therefore not "normal", whatever that may be.

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Alright.

I'll just accept that I don't really have ASD, despite being told otherwise by actual doctors combined with real life experiences and instead go to forum posters for a diagnosis, since they are the true experts


Sorry, I know I'm not contributing anything, I just hate this topic for a number of reasons. No one is forcing me to post in it I just take offense to some of the stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality
Not that ridiculous that its a cultural / race difference in IQ if you have researched it abit, but nevermind, all in all, we do agree that aspie IQ and NT IQ has no significant difference. ..its a myth thats hard to kill.

Only on an ASD forum will you see "Why are they so many AS fakers" turn into pages of arguing about IQ. It's easy to tell most of the people aren't "faking", just follow the progression of the threads on this forum.

Most jobs are created to turn people into basket cases. That's the whole point of them
That is why I am going to wear my asperger pride t shirt to my next job interview. If there will ever be one that is.

I've never met any in Auckland.... in fact most HFA's I come across are in denial about their ASD....

Good thread title to divide the community though

I've been studying up on Asperger's for only a couple months, and this is the first time I've seen such a denouncing of higher intelligence being associated with Asperger's.

Bare with me, this will seem racy but I'm not trying to go for racism, but rather illustrate a point about the way I'm perceiving your argument: If I know 20 black people, and 14 of them like fried chicken, that's a generalization. I could easily draw up an association between the two, but it would upset someone. If a large number of people with AS have a higher intelligence... well I could draw up that association too, but I would be offending someone?

The reason I'm talking back, is because I don't really get a lot of bragging rights out of my AS personally. I don't think a lot of people do. One of the few things I can consider a gift is my intelligence. I grew up thinking my parents were kind of dumb, mostly because they marveled at seemingly little things I was doing.

So I guess what I'm saying is, I think this harks back to the OP's comment about fakers and jobs, relationships, etc.. Just because he didn't have a job or a relationship, he thought everyone else was a faker. If you have an average intelligence, rather than the AS price-of-admission higher intelligence that everyone raves about, then the two are not at all related? I don't mean to offend, so I'm sorry about that, but I want facts and not opinions today; from now on.

In another thread, I got some links to facts about this, you can read my interpretation of those facts here; http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4672784.html#4672784

I'd like to add, that the research were related to the WAIS test, but it also mentioned that results from autism and an IQ test called "Raven" has shown an average IQ somewhat higher than NTs. So what it comes down to is this; Do you trust research/statistics done on a small group like that test was done, and do you believe WAIS is the correct IQ test to evaluate the difference from? Then yes, NTs have higher IQ than Aspies. If you on the other hand do not trust statistics to be accurate with a small group like that, or you believe WAIS is not the best IQ test to do a comparison with, then you are free to believe the myth.

When it comes to studying Asperger's for months, it seems we all do that; http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt200621.html
(so..we are all experts )

Social skills CAN be learned. It may take time and alot of effort, but it can be done.

Back in the day, it was sink or swim. Some of us sank. Some of us figured out how to do a mean dog-paddle.

ASD is a spectrum and you cut them off in the middle and say that those with low to normal IQ have Kanner-autism and people with normal to high IQ have Asperger's-autism.
And THEN people claim that studies have shown Kanner-autistics have more common low IQ and Asperger's-autistics have more common high IQ.
This just doesn't make a lot of sence, because you differentiate them two because of that criteria in the first place!

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