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29 May 2015, 5:10 pm

The majority of the most caring people I know, those who will sit with others day after day, have food and things thrown in their face, and tolerate it all with a smile, use all of those statements all of the time!

I can understand how they are classed as invalidating, but one is either being hyper sensitive or being seriously bullied to find them honestly offensive, IMO.



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29 May 2015, 5:12 pm

Its not what you do, its the way you do it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doHQjoQmr1E



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29 May 2015, 5:13 pm

I know what you mean, Amity. One good clue to is to notice where your energy level goes after interacting with certain people - look for a consistent pattern, for example you may notice that after interactions with person X, you seem to have much lower energy for hours or even days, even though it seemed like a 'perfectly normal' encounter at the time. These sudden shifts of energy/mood/motivation without any obvious external cause are one of the most reliable clues available to us. One-off's will happen in most relationships and are not necessarily a danger signal; it's a pattern over time which is telling. And part of this is that we pick up on things at a subconscious level that bypasses our conscious impressions at the time of the encounter.



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29 May 2015, 5:22 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I think it's better to engage with people than to hide from them.


This is a logical fallacy. You are making it sound like this is an either/or proposition, as if hiding from people is the only reason that a person might choose not to engage with people.

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If you isolate yourself from people out of fear of people, you are "invalidating" yourself.


Nonsense. More likely if a person is forcing themselves to engage with people when they have a lot of fear about it, and trying to talk themselves out of that fear, telling themselves they have nothing to be afraid of, they are invalidating themselves.



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29 May 2015, 5:27 pm

B19 wrote:
One good clue to is to notice where your energy level goes after interacting with certain people - look for a consistent pattern, for example you may notice that after interactions with person X, you seem to have much lower energy for hours or even days, even though it seemed like a 'perfectly normal' encounter at the time. These sudden shifts of energy/mood/motivation without any obvious external cause are one of the most reliable clues available to us.


I wonder how many people get diagnosed with a mood disorder, when the problem is actually that they are spending a lot of time around a chronic invalidator, and/or a person with a cluster B disorder. :idea:



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29 May 2015, 5:28 pm

B19 wrote:
I know what you mean, Amity. One good clue to is to notice where your energy level goes after interacting with certain people - look for a consistent pattern, for example you may notice that after interactions with person X, you seem to have much lower energy for hours or even days, even though it seemed like a 'perfectly normal' encounter at the time. These sudden shifts of energy/mood/motivation without any obvious external cause are one of the most reliable clues available to us. One-off's will happen in most relationships and are not necessarily a danger signal; it's a pattern over time which is telling. And part of this is that we pick up on things at a subconscious level that bypasses our conscious impressions at the time of the encounter.


This is good advice. :) To take a medium term observational approach to see if there is a pattern that corelates with low energy/mood.



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29 May 2015, 5:31 pm

No...not nonsense!

You don't like people to "value-judge?" You're doing it now.

I would never say that anything you say is "nonsense." That would totally "invalidate" you.

We have to right to engage or not to engage.

However, we are invalidating ourselves if we choose not to engage owing to a fear of "invalidation." Or "perceived invalidation."

If you would get to know me, you'd KNOW that I don't desire to invalidate anybody, nor do I invalidate anybody. Not agreeing with somebody's take on life does not mean that I'm "invalidating" them as people.



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29 May 2015, 5:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
No...not nonsense!

You don't like people to "value-judge?" You're doing it now.

I would never say that anything you say is "nonsense." That would totally "invalidate" you.

We have to right to engage or not to engage.

However, we are invalidating ourselves if we choose not to engage owing to a fear of "invalidation." Or "perceived invalidation."

If you would get to know me, you'd KNOW that I don't desire to invalidate anybody, nor do I invalidate anybody. Not agreeing with somebody's take on life does not mean that I'm "invalidating" them as people.

I'm thinking a misunderstanding. We can all choose to complain about being invalidated or we can ask for what we want and maybe get it. Kraftie you've never invalidated me when I've asked you for what I want, told you what I need. I like both of you. I hope you can like each other again soon.



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29 May 2015, 5:43 pm

I don't dislike Dianthus at all. Why should I?

I disagree with what she said. That's all.

She disagreed with what I said.

We are two different human beings. There will be differences in our outlook.

I'm not going to dislike somebody just because they have a different opinion as mine.

But I'm not going to back down from anybody.



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29 May 2015, 5:53 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
No...not nonsense!


You made a conclusion that was based on a logical fallacy, which is nonsensical.


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If you would get to know me, you'd KNOW that I don't desire to invalidate anybody, nor do I invalidate anybody. Not agreeing with somebody's take on life does not mean that I'm "invalidating" them as people.


I wonder though, why do you continue interjecting in a thread about a topic when you've already made it clear that you don't like the topic?



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29 May 2015, 5:55 pm

I like being a hermit, but if I engage with people too infrequently, my social skills deteriorate.


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29 May 2015, 5:55 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But I'm not going to back down from anybody.


Well...this comes across as very confrontational.

If it's just a difference of opinion as you say, I don't understand why you would take this kind of attitude.



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29 May 2015, 5:56 pm

Read everything I wrote, please.

Thank you.

Let's just agree to disagree--otherwise, we will get nowhere fast.



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29 May 2015, 6:10 pm

My suggestion is if you really dislike a topic, it's okay to back down from discussing it, and leave it to those who enjoy it or find value in it.



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29 May 2015, 6:35 pm

I don't dislike the topic.

I dislike the concept of finding invalidation in places where there is none.

I believe that we have to offset the feeling of invalidation which might be put upon us by others--by believing in our OWN validity.

What's wrong with that?



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29 May 2015, 7:40 pm

I guess all this might have something to do with the fact that this is the 13th page of the thread.

Baby....Superstition! (Stevie Wonder song).

I just had some chicken teriyaki with fried rice. Very valid meal.