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03 Feb 2016, 8:41 am

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Now the improved captcha won't even let me edit.

A couple of people who act like I am taking about them, go on to say they have a solid factual instance in their childhood development history where they were referred to a psychologist etc. This means you are not the sort of person I am talking about.


The reason people think you are talking about them is because you post you posts questioning if diagnosis or whether self diagnosis is truly a valid diagnosis in terms of what is really happening with them right after thier post or within a couple of posts of thiers. I got that feeling myself when I seen your post right near my post.

Yes I am self diagnosed but my psychologist agrees with me that I'm autistic which under the DSM4 would be PDD-NOS even though I self diagnosed it is still valid. It would not be to my advantage to seek an official diagnosis as it would cost lots of money with no real return. I have done my research & I have a history that strongly suggests my autism diagnosis is valid.

I even had a former employer that pointed out he thought that I had aspergers. The problem I had with that is at the time he said that I didn't want to believe him at that time. That was 8 to 9 years ago. Aspergers didn't seem to fit me either as I remembered my real mother telling me of speach & motor delays after a period of what appeared to be normal development but back tracked by age of 1.5 years old. This is extremely common with autism. Aspergers diagnosis implies no such delays verbally. I was put into a foster home at age 9.



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03 Feb 2016, 8:42 am

Oh I see. Nope that is just an unhappy coincidence. There is no one in this thread I can think of that I consider questionable.

And you see it's not just my years on WP. But other forums as well and also stuff like Facebook, Reddit, blogs and other various other media outlets. The whole works.



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03 Feb 2016, 8:43 am

I would not have been diagnosed with Asperger's under the DSM IV--but I have fit, quite well, the profile of Asperger's since about age six-seven.

I regard myself as a person on the Autism Spectrum, not specifically as an Aspie. It's rather like being Independent politically.

I might refer to myself as an Aspie informally, because I fit the profile so well.

It's absolutely true that Americans tend to be monolingual, while Europeans tend to adopt English as their second language, at least.



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03 Feb 2016, 8:54 am

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I would not have been diagnosed with Asperger's under the DSM IV--but I have fit, quite well, the profile of Asperger's since about age six-seven.

I regard myself as a person on the Autism Spectrum, not specifically as an Aspie. It's rather like being Independent politically.

I might refer to myself as an Aspie informally, because I fit the profile so well.

It's absolutely true that Americans tend to be monolingual, while Europeans tend to adopt English as their second language, at least.


Yeah it doesnt really matter which label. "Aspie" is easy to say, and write.

Just out of curiosity was it harder for you to learn foreign languages in middle/high school than it was for the average teen?



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03 Feb 2016, 9:00 am

What I had trouble with, mostly, was speaking in the ACCENT of the language. I also have trouble in the auditory processing of foreign languages. And I have difficulty in the auditory processing of somebody speaking English with a heavy accent.

I did okay, not great, in learning vocabulary and grammar (though, now, I only know some basic words in Spanish and French). I used to get 80's, usually.



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03 Feb 2016, 9:04 am

I would not expect most aspies past the age of 25 to be diagnosed with Aspergers. And the older they are, the less likely. But to me for autism to be autism, I have trouble seeing someone who has it, skating all the way through their childhood with no kind of examination regarding their behavior. It's like with the majority of adult aspies over the age of 30 they end up in a situation putting 2 and 2 together. Now they understand why they had to talk to that man and answer a bunch of questions. Or why they were put on Ritalin. Or why they were put in special ed etc. Those things were actually a childhood diagnosis of Aspergers, even if it was given some out of use name like "educationally handicapped". Although I actually kinda like that one because it signifies a disability.



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03 Feb 2016, 11:37 am

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Honestly I quit caring when people question if someone is autistic or not. People will always play internet doctors and act like they have their degrees when they undiagnose someone over X, Y, and Z. It seems like every autistic person will get that accusation and be told they are faking it or misdiagnosed when they put themselves out there rather it's a vblog or a blog or being an advocate or writing a book about themselves or appearing on TV in a show. I have even seen someone online claim Temple Grandin didn't have autism or John Robison or Liane Holliday Willey. Then on here someone posted a thread questioning Jack Robison's diagnoses just because he smiled back at people when he was a baby and toddler and the fact he had friends. The whole undiagnosing thing has gotten so ludicrous I just stopped caring and giving a damn. I think everyone else should stop giving a damn too and you will be a lot happier and not feel threatened when someone questions your DX. We even had a member here who seemed to diagnose anyone as a psychopath and toss out other labels on members and she also would undiagnose them with autism. That member was very toxic so she had been banned from here several times and she was the same person who said Temple was not autistic.

I don't need to waste my time to defend myself either and I won't go posting all my medical records online to prove myself. Why even put all my energy to that to someone online who doesn't even know me? Also do I need to waste my time telling my life story to justify my DX? I could be misdiagnosed, I could just be some f****d up child due to my medical history from when I was a toddler and it f****d up my whole brain for life or I could have something that hasn't yet been discovered and it's similar to AS. But right now my DX is Asperger's along with anxiety disorder. But anyway I don't think it even matters what I am diagnosed with and someone might still call me a liar. I just ignore it and remember that every aspie gets that accusation when they open up about their condition. I wasn't the first and I won't be the last.


This is basically the attitude I'm learning to take. It seems to be a specific demographic that gets upset over people not presenting as 'autistic enough' (in their own minds) - and at some point, you just have to accept that these people are stuck in an ignorant viewpoint, and their opinions don't reflect reality. There are people who are certain I'm going to hell for not being a proper Christian by their standards, and I don't care what they think of me either.

[EDIT]: I can understand basing one's doubts on actual DSM-V criteria - though even then, much of it comes down to a judgment call, which ought to be left up to a professional. But to just arbitrarily make up your own criteria, and apply it to people you've never met in real life, only serves to perpetuate ignorance and misconceptions about autism.



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03 Feb 2016, 1:02 pm

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Honestly I quit caring when people question if someone is autistic or not. People will always play internet doctors and act like they have their degrees when they undiagnose someone over X, Y, and Z. It seems like every autistic person will get that accusation and be told they are faking it or misdiagnosed when they put themselves out there rather it's a vblog or a blog or being an advocate or writing a book about themselves or appearing on TV in a show. I have even seen someone online claim Temple Grandin didn't have autism or John Robison or Liane Holliday Willey. Then on here someone posted a thread questioning Jack Robison's diagnoses just because he smiled back at people when he was a baby and toddler and the fact he had friends. The whole undiagnosing thing has gotten so ludicrous I just stopped caring and giving a damn. I think everyone else should stop giving a damn too and you will be a lot happier and not feel threatened when someone questions your DX. We even had a member here who seemed to diagnose anyone as a psychopath and toss out other labels on members and she also would undiagnose them with autism. That member was very toxic so she had been banned from here several times and she was the same person who said Temple was not autistic.

I don't need to waste my time to defend myself either and I won't go posting all my medical records online to prove myself. Why even put all my energy to that to someone online who doesn't even know me? Also do I need to waste my time telling my life story to justify my DX? I could be misdiagnosed, I could just be some f****d up child due to my medical history from when I was a toddler and it f****d up my whole brain for life or I could have something that hasn't yet been discovered and it's similar to AS. But right now my DX is Asperger's along with anxiety disorder. But anyway I don't think it even matters what I am diagnosed with and someone might still call me a liar. I just ignore it and remember that every aspie gets that accusation when they open up about their condition. I wasn't the first and I won't be the last.


I agree with this.
It is not necessary to waste time defending one's diagnosis.
Anyone can choose any trait that is not autistic enough in someone else and say that person is misdiagnosed.
Or they can choose any trait in many people and say that many people are misdiagnosed.
Others can say the same about them.
There have been several people over the time that I have been on WP, constantly questioning whether anyone who is not them or similar to them or at their level of functioning is actually autistic.


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03 Feb 2016, 2:23 pm

I don't think I have ever wondered about anyone with a diagnosis. Just a few who never indicate they had any kind of diagnosis whatsoever. Even a childhood pre-aspergers dx for something like "perceptual problems" etc. They usually tend to do a lot of ranting about NT's and how "we" all should do this that and the other ete about them etc. They usually don't stay around long. Like I said I have been told I don't sound autistic, would have never guessed I was autistic many times (at least on the internet). Which like I said, I take as a positive statement. Some people who have a relative with severe autism, will never accept anyone capable of expressing themselves the way I can as being autistic. I wanted to express my thought process on it with the intention of maybe offering some enlightenment, but instead it seems that I just made people angry and they probably hate me now. So I will not talk about such thoughts in the future.



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03 Feb 2016, 2:29 pm

No, Ezra. They don't hate you. Not at all.

If they did, then these people would have problems which go beyond autism.

You have certain thoughts, and other people have certain thoughts which don't agree with yours.

That's the world, really. Nobody is going to agree with everybody else.

It's good that you have an opinion; it's better than just shutting up. Shutting up means being shut down.

As long as you are respectful in expressing that opinion, it's always cool to express that opinion.

And trust me. It's really really bad for an autistic person to be shut down.

So never let yourself be shut down by anybody.



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03 Feb 2016, 2:55 pm

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I don't think I have ever wondered about anyone with a diagnosis. Just a few who never indicate they had any kind of diagnosis whatsoever. Even a childhood pre-aspergers dx for something like "perceptual problems" etc. They usually tend to do a lot of ranting about NT's and how "we" all should do this that and the other ete about them etc. They usually don't stay around long. Like I said I have been told I don't sound autistic, would have never guessed I was autistic many times (at least on the internet). Which like I said, I take as a positive statement. Some people who have a relative with severe autism, will never accept anyone capable of expressing themselves the way I can as being autistic. I wanted to express my thought process on it with the intention of maybe offering some enlightenment, but instead it seems that I just made people angry and they probably hate me now. So I will not talk about such thoughts in the future.


People are disagreeing with your statements that people with certain lifestyles are probably not autistic, or people without certain childhood records are probably not autistic, or people with or without xyz are probably not autistic. It is fine for you to say what you think, and it is fine for others to disagree with what you say.


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03 Feb 2016, 2:59 pm

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I don't think I have ever wondered about anyone with a diagnosis. Just a few who never indicate they had any kind of diagnosis whatsoever. Even a childhood pre-aspergers dx for something like "perceptual problems" etc. They usually tend to do a lot of ranting about NT's and how "we" all should do this that and the other ete about them etc. They usually don't stay around long. Like I said I have been told I don't sound autistic, would have never guessed I was autistic many times (at least on the internet). Which like I said, I take as a positive statement. Some people who have a relative with severe autism, will never accept anyone capable of expressing themselves the way I can as being autistic. I wanted to express my thought process on it with the intention of maybe offering some enlightenment, but instead it seems that I just made people angry and they probably hate me now. So I will not talk about such thoughts in the future.


I don't hate you & I was only mildly annoyed. I see now that it wasn't what I thought you were doing at first. It was just that it appeared that way. I'm no longer annoyed by what you were saying as you have explaned yourself better now.

Looking forward to seeing more from you.

Ron Brandt :D



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03 Feb 2016, 3:00 pm

According to some, I am not Austistic because I am not afraid to tell people that I am Autistic.

The logic behind this eludes me.


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03 Feb 2016, 3:36 pm

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I don't think I have ever wondered about anyone with a diagnosis. Just a few who never indicate they had any kind of diagnosis whatsoever. Even a childhood pre-aspergers dx for something like "perceptual problems" etc. They usually tend to do a lot of ranting about NT's and how "we" all should do this that and the other ete about them etc. They usually don't stay around long. Like I said I have been told I don't sound autistic, would have never guessed I was autistic many times (at least on the internet). Which like I said, I take as a positive statement. Some people who have a relative with severe autism, will never accept anyone capable of expressing themselves the way I can as being autistic. I wanted to express my thought process on it with the intention of maybe offering some enlightenment, but instead it seems that I just made people angry and they probably hate me now. So I will not talk about such thoughts in the future.


People are disagreeing with your statements that people with certain lifestyles are probably not autistic, or people without certain childhood records are probably not autistic, or people with or without xyz are probably not autistic. It is fine for you to say what you think, and it is fine for others to disagree with what you say.


I thought what I said is what I personally have trouble excepting in some cases. I guess the idea is that I should just accept what everyone has to say without questioning it. People with virtually no indications of autism and no kind of diagnosis, who say they are autistic, are definitely autistic and shame on me for having any doubts, much less ever expressing them. Oh yeah and autism is not even a disability, it just means I'm special, but the NT's are too ignorant to understand that.



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03 Feb 2016, 3:41 pm

You didn't say anything wrong Ezra. It was just conversation.



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03 Feb 2016, 3:46 pm

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You didn't say anything wrong Ezra. It was just conversation.


Thank you, but I think it's better that I just stay out of most conversations.