Can those living today live forever?

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The funny thing is that you wouldn't need time to "learn" because all knowledge will be univerally known by everyone at the same time (past and present knowledge). Secondly, computers (several times more intelligent than humans in the future) would come up with those new unifications before you could, but that is ok because you would be privy to that information.

They sound like quite a handful! I know this is probably not the time to mention it, but Cockatoos are my favorite birds. I really admire their beauty. Actually, the real reason I like them is because I had such a good experience with a cockatoo in captivity.
I haven't encountered the destructive side of the cockatoos. Here, we have them only as pets and at zoos. But they are soooo smart, outgoing and captivating I cannot help but feel happy when watching them or being near one.
I was at a pet store at a local mall. (the store has closed because they lacked business and had puppy mill issues), They had a cockatoo they were trying to sell and after meeting this bird I fell in love with the beautiful pale pink feathered creatures.
The bird tried to get my earring several times. This is what I liked about him, he was so friendly around people, had so much confidence!
I guess this makes them destructive in the wild, eh?
I think I would enjoy seeing them all around, but they are like the blue jays we have here, only larger and more aggressive, and don't like to share with the other birds, try to run them off.
The blue jays here are much better at sharing, but they hate anyone or anything around their nests and try to chase everyone away.
We also have many cardinals in the yard. Blue Jays, Cardinals, Robins and lots of starlings. Canadian geese visit. I live near a small section of land preserved by the Department of Interior. It isn't enough for most wildlife but I have seen wild ducks.
Deers, possums, wild geese and ducks, countless starlings all over the area, I am near a lake with a national park.
The starlings nest in the pear trees, favorite choice of trees among landscapers and the starlings do so well in them they flock here in very large numbers.
Oh, and skunks too, Lots of skunks and possums here, plus the occasional armadillo. The skunks are soo cute, I like the contrasting patterns of colors on their coats - black and white. Some have a lot more white than black, others a lot more black than white.
Once I was taking care of the yard, planting sod grass I bought for this bare area under an overgrown silver maple tree (and it was a lot of work to plant that sod, I am sticking with seeds from now on), when I noticed a robin waiting patiently to catch the lawn grubs I kept finding and tossing into the street.
I enjoy these moments between human and nature, and admire the robins for being so smart and so trusting, knowing what I am finding is something they like to eat, letting me find it for them and taking them.
While I was doing this, no joke, a pair of Canadian geese came walking down the street. I felt like I was in Snow White or Bambi. It was amazing.


I like the marsupial type of animal. We have possums here but I believe that's it. My favorite are Wallabees. They remind me of kangaroos except much smaller and more cuddly looking. Love their floppy ears too. I bet they are very soft and soothing to pet although I have never touched one to find out.

I think in my case they can hear my parakeets whom are very noisy and, in that way that is very bird they become ecstatic when they hear the rustle of the plastic bag their food is in, become especially loud, very noisy and the ones outside detect the rukus.
Plus I have fed the wild birds before but the food goes very quickly because there are many wild birds here. The fuzzy tailed squirrels try to get the food too and there are also many of them. This whole area has become abundant in wildlife. It's remarkable.

I have some feeders outside but wasps built nests in them. I have the feeders dangling from tree branches, my yard has lots of trees in it. Whenever I feed the outside birds and squirrels, it's from these. The squirrels are fun to watch when they try to get inside the feeders which are really too small and flimsy to support the larger weight of the squirrels.

Birds are fooled by the glass. Starlings have tried to fly thru the unopened kitchen window. Always surprises me when one does that and then I feel bad.


I tried to incorporate the wild animal/Noah's ark theme into the topic by exchanging the ark for a space ship:)
I don't think we are off topic here.
I was joking but the possibility of this happening is an interesting one. Has Hollywood made a movie about this yet? Has it happened in an episode of Star Trek?
I did see the latest Evan movie. Evan Almighty

You would need an almost limitless amount of food for the animals.
The space ship would be a biosphere of sorts with it's very own ecosystem. It's the only way this would be possible.

I don't know how we would manage the creatures of the sea.

I like the creation of new words. We would have to use zoo technology on our ship. One that allows the natural growth of bacteria and organics necessary for our furred and feather passengers.


It would be a momumental task, I agree. Impossible? Is anything really impossible? Maybe there is a way anything can be accomplished if humans would just work to discover and develop it? We can create the technology and the method. This theme is inherent in the story about the ark.

I would like to continue but I worry how long this post is getting and wonder what the mods would think of such a lengthy post:(
Better not push my luck.
I enjoy corresponding with you, b9. Have a pleasant dreams and a very good night!

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lol i would not want to live forever..
me.. i dont want to live until my 50th birthday!! !
x x x x

I skimmed over a fraction of the last few posts, though not all. If we had a D.N.A. synthesizer all we would need is D.N.A. from every species on the planet to complete a project Noah type objective. With the proper understanding of molecular biomechanics we could even limit our selves to the constituent components and construct species tailored to the specific ecology on site. I hypothesize that much of the act of terraforming could be done with biomechanical processes alone though it is likely that other geological processes would accelerate this and perhaps would even be required to attain a stable biosphere for human habitation. The simulation "Spore" and "Simearth" can be inspiring.

Oh, gods, you sound like every teenager I've ever met.

Knowing how the humans are, they would take the D.N.A. of the animals with them on the space ship because it would just be easier. Later, they would be recreated in a lab on a planet without a name.

...and this is how we will colonize Mars.

Hey! Get your own ideas! Mars is mine.

I know lets invent a treatment that will alow the cells to reverse age, just imagine it:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=tRnp4UPI-Qk&feature=related[/youtube]

Well it wouldn't be any fun to be an aging immortal. Eternal youth would have to be included in the package.

Remind me to take over the world, okay?

What can I do to help?

Cthulhu for President!
Ishmael for Emperor!

Actually its more likely we will end up building a biosphere on the moon first, plus I've already had a dream about that when I was young
Plus it's closer and not violent (with storms and such). All we would have to do is use heat to compensate for the coldness of the dark side when it approaches.

I wonder what the most efficient power source to use on the moon would be? Solar? Nuclear? Probably both at once.

I find it funny that NASA has decided to try for a lunar colony in 2010!
Those underfunded amateurs... But, really - imagine how bad it would be if White Christian America decided to claim the moon and mars for themselves?

Um... I think that was probably a joke.

Oh, wait a minute -- Timetable for Moon colony announced (Dec 2006):
http://space.newscientist.com/article/d ... unced.html

Except that with the global economic collapse, it's not very funny.

But here's a more recent comment. NASA's Five-Year Hiatus: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/scien ... ref=slogin

That's so pathetic. Politicians talking as though we're going to be spending anything on anything any time soon.

Unless they're already planning the final war, and think they can wait it out in a colony on the moon. They say that only the roaches and the politicians will survive. Maybe this is how.

my cockatoos are "sulfur crested" cockatoos. they are pure white with a yellow mohawky looking flurry of feathers on their crests.

i do like them. they are smart. but they have a habit of flocking in the hundreds.
on some grain farms, there are thousands of cockatoos that wreak havoc and destruction.

that does not bother me because i do not have a grain farm.
but i am aware that if i do not try to discourage them, there will be more and more come each day.

i feel sorry for the smaller parrots who give up the fight for the patch of ground where the grain is sprinkled.

the smaller parrots all resign themselves to feeding in barren grass where there is no seeds.
they were the ones i put the seed out for in the first place, so i get cranky with the cockies for chasing them away and hogging all the food.

if there were only 2 of them or so, i would be ok with them.

on some days there are only 2. they sit in the trees while i am out there with my water pistol.

the smaller parrots are all having a feast on the seeds and every time a cockatoo swoops in i squirt him.

but then, if there are only 2 cockatoos, i start to feel sorry for them.
so i put the water pistol away and they swoop in and land and waddle to the seeded area.

if they do not try to nip or chase any other bird away, they are allowed to feed.
the minute they nip at a smaller parrot, they get a squirt in the head and they fly off in a tumultuous panic.

many smaller parrots have realized i am aiming only at the cockatoos and they do not flinch in the cross fire between me and the cockatoos.

so if i am sad for the 2 cockatoos that look on wistfully as the other lucky birds feast, i let them come and eat too.

and invariably i have to go inside.
after 20 minutes of other activities inside, i return outside to see 10-15 cockatoos all over the seeded area and no other parrots anywhere.

this makes me sad in that i really want to make a pet of one cockatoo, but if i do, then my house will be eaten by hundreds of them in the long run.

things are valuable when they are in short supply.
when there is a massive oversupply of anything, it becomes a pest.

but i do not consider any individual cockatoo to be worthless.
i know each one has a life that is as real as mine.

i would never hurt any but i need not to encourage them.





parrots are quick to realize whether you intend harm for them.
when they know you do not, they are very "pushy" in a very cute way.

my smaller parrots land on me sometimes when i am walking down the yard with no food in my hands.

it is their trust that is so valuable and makes me feel that i am worthwhile to have it.

it is the same for all my animals.




i do not think so. i think they excersize their beaks on things to keep them sharp.
when they are angry, i think they also increase their nibbling and chewing.

in the wild they are not really destructive.
if i am feeding the smaller parrots and they see they can not have some, they become destructive.

in the wild, no one would be feeding anyone and the balance is more even, and so are "faunic" tempers.




my magpies are like that. they dive bomb people and swoop perilously close to their heads in an attempt to keep danger away from their babies.

people at this time of year who ride bikes should wear helmets because of protective magpies.

i was in hysterical laughter the other morning when i saw a grey haired woman collecting sticks for her fire, and she was being severely harassed by 2 magpies (the ones that visit me).



i also live on the edge of a national park.
i live at the end of a street that has only 3 houses on it.
i have one neighbour who is 200 meters up the street.
there is bushland behind my backyard that goes for 22 miles south and 4 miles east and 12 miles west of my house.

your wildlife sounds so different than mine.


i always liked the look of skunks. we do not have them here, but i know that a skunk that knows me would never spray me with it's scent.



yes it is like a co operational effort across species.
they do know and understand what our intentions are (in a simple but real way).

and i feel good when their expectations about my behaviour are met.

tonight there has been a possum argument.
i stood out there and the timid possum got between my feet and stayed there, and the bold possum was given a peeled banana. he ran off with it and then the timid little girl possum between my feet relaxed and went back to feeding.

she trusted i would help her and her expectation was met.
now she trusts me even more i guess. but that was not my aim. my aim was to be true to her trust.

i so love animals in the deepest way.



do you live in canada?




i did not define the fact that our possums are marsupial ones, and unrelated to american possums. i think the ones in america are actually "oppossums".

my possums have one "joey" per year, and they live in their pouch until they climb out onto their mothers back.

they are very very soft.



this little man is holding on for dear life to his mother.
he is so very vulnerable at this point. there is an owl around that may take him.
that owl few into my house a small while ago.
i have a video on youtube of it.

i want to help him as much as i can.
marsupials are not as gifted as mammals for survival.

this little fellow is at a high risk of not surviving.

he licks my fingers when i pet him ( i know it is male because of his reddish tinge). his mother knows i am safe so pays no attention to me petting her baby.

i can feel as he licks me, that his hold on life is fragile.
i also feel his life is worth so much.

so my possums are marsupial ones i am trying to say, and they are only like mammals in some ways.

i should stop talking about animals in this thread.

i am way off topic. but i really want to answer everything you said.

at this point moderators usually send me a "friendly suggestion"