New research brings autism screening closer to reality

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13 Jan 2009, 7:37 pm

The interesting thing about this type of thread is that there are people here who can respond to the question to begin with.
Think if nobody was here to answer the question.
(I posted this in another thread but thought it was appropriate)


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14 Jan 2009, 1:14 am

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You guys overloaded the system and broke page 12.

Is WP really that poorly funded that the server breaks as we approach 13. Or maybe Alex is scared of something :p:


it takes a special type of person to complain about what they get for free.. .


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14 Jan 2009, 4:49 pm

I'm having a chuckle at avatar "Karma, it's everywhere you're going to be"

Onto the topic. Why are people even funding this research? It seems obvious they don't really want to be bothered helping out with symptoms as a form of cure but eliminating types of people they feel just aren't appropriate for their future. I'm wondering if perhaps those that feel it's justified to do this form of cure needs to have THEIR brains examined.

There was a time when bullying was deemed bad but now it seems that if you bully it just shows strength in character which makes me wonder about what type of people are setting up these rules.

Since when was endorsement of killing off certain types of people considered sane?



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14 Jan 2009, 5:32 pm

kittenmeow wrote:
Why are people even funding this research? It seems obvious they don't really want to be bothered helping out with symptoms as a form of cure but eliminating types of people they feel just aren't appropriate for their future. I'm wondering if perhaps those that feel it's justified to do this form of cure needs to have THEIR brains examined.

There was a time when bullying was deemed bad but now it seems that if you bully it just shows strength in character which makes me wonder about what type of people are setting up these rules.

Since when was endorsement of killing off certain types of people considered sane?


For pete's sake, you're forgetting about the fact that babies are borne by mothers, not carried to them by storks :x -There's a difference between a mother aborting a foetus that she feels she would be unable to cope with and a man kiling random strangers in the street, or indeed bullying- P.s. haven't you heard of all those new anti-bullying organisations?!?

Nonetheless, it's interesting how the researcher on the case, Simon Baron-Cohen, put out a press release 2 days before this announcement, saying that some auties should be preserved if a pre-natal test is developed :o . I wouldn't want to upset his cousin Sascha Baron-Cohen, but it strikes me that Simon feels uncomfortable about being jewish at some level, and wishes to offload some of that sense of painful history onto another group - Who knows :?



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14 Jan 2009, 5:41 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
garyww wrote:
You guys overloaded the system and broke page 12.

Is WP really that poorly funded that the server breaks as we approach 13. Or maybe Alex is scared of something :p:


it takes a special type of person to complain about what they get for free.. .


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14 Jan 2009, 6:04 pm

Have you ever seen a stork up close. These are big frigging monsters. I found it perfectly logical that they could carry babies up until I was around 10 years old and we moved from the coast to Kansas. There are no storks in Kansas. Another bubble bursted.


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14 Jan 2009, 7:20 pm

undefineable wrote:
kittenmeow wrote:
Why are people even funding this research? It seems obvious they don't really want to be bothered helping out with symptoms as a form of cure but eliminating types of people they feel just aren't appropriate for their future. I'm wondering if perhaps those that feel it's justified to do this form of cure needs to have THEIR brains examined.

There was a time when bullying was deemed bad but now it seems that if you bully it just shows strength in character which makes me wonder about what type of people are setting up these rules.

Since when was endorsement of killing off certain types of people considered sane?


you're forgetting about the fact that babies are borne by mothers, not carried to them by storks :x


No really? :roll:

You seem very empathetic towards prenatal screening for autism.



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14 Jan 2009, 7:22 pm

garyww wrote:
Have you ever seen a stork up close. These are big frigging monsters. I found it perfectly logical that they could carry babies up until I was around 10 years old and we moved from the coast to Kansas. There are no storks in Kansas. Another bubble bursted.


laughs

I love how he assumes that he's being very informative by letting me know that there are no storks involved with giving birth. :lol:

(refrains from saying &%*$*# %&$##*$ $&@%# )



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14 Jan 2009, 7:36 pm

kittenmeow wrote:
undefineable wrote:
kittenmeow wrote:
Why are people even funding this research? It seems obvious they don't really want to be bothered helping out with symptoms as a form of cure but eliminating types of people they feel just aren't appropriate for their future. I'm wondering if perhaps those that feel it's justified to do this form of cure needs to have THEIR brains examined.

There was a time when bullying was deemed bad but now it seems that if you bully it just shows strength in character which makes me wonder about what type of people are setting up these rules.

Since when was endorsement of killing off certain types of people considered sane?


you're forgetting about the fact that babies are borne by mothers, not carried to them by storks :x


No really? :roll:

You seem very empathetic towards prenatal screening for autism.


I am.

I just imagine how I'd feel if I were pregnant - I hope that's not seen as gay or anything :roll:.

I'll re-quote my earlier argument for you:

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There's a difference between a mother aborting a foetus that she feels she would be unable to cope with and a man kiling random strangers in the street


-When I say 'feels she would be unable to cope', I don't mean 'feels she would hate her own child'- I'm talking about NTs lacking in knowledge and confidence as to how to best raise autistics, who might therefore abort.



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14 Jan 2009, 7:37 pm

kittenmeow wrote:
garyww wrote:
Have you ever seen a stork up close. These are big frigging monsters. I found it perfectly logical that they could carry babies up until I was around 10 years old and we moved from the coast to Kansas. There are no storks in Kansas. Another bubble bursted.


laughs

I love how he assumes that he's being very informative by letting me know that there are no storks involved with giving birth. :lol:

(refrains from saying &%*$*# %&$##*$ $&@%# )


I think that was humourous whimsy on garyww's part (though I stand to be corrected!)



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14 Jan 2009, 9:03 pm

undefineable wrote:
kittenmeow wrote:
garyww wrote:
Have you ever seen a stork up close. These are big frigging monsters. I found it perfectly logical that they could carry babies up until I was around 10 years old and we moved from the coast to Kansas. There are no storks in Kansas. Another bubble bursted.


laughs

I love how he assumes that he's being very informative by letting me know that there are no storks involved with giving birth. :lol:

(refrains from saying &%*$*# %&$##*$ $&@%# )


I think that was humourous whimsy on garyww's part (though I stand to be corrected!)


Of course it was. He was being ironic. I can't believe that anyone thinks he was serious.


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14 Jan 2009, 10:32 pm

undefineable wrote:
kittenmeow wrote:
garyww wrote:
Have you ever seen a stork up close. These are big frigging monsters. I found it perfectly logical that they could carry babies up until I was around 10 years old and we moved from the coast to Kansas. There are no storks in Kansas. Another bubble bursted.


laughs

I love how he assumes that he's being very informative by letting me know that there are no storks involved with giving birth. :lol:

(refrains from saying &%*$*# %&$##*$ $&@%# )


I think that was humourous whimsy on garyww's part (though I stand to be corrected!)


That is why I laughed...

Then went onto next line to insert serious comment.



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14 Jan 2009, 11:03 pm

neshamaruach wrote:
undefineable wrote:
kittenmeow wrote:
garyww wrote:
Have you ever seen a stork up close. These are big frigging monsters. I found it perfectly logical that they could carry babies up until I was around 10 years old and we moved from the coast to Kansas. There are no storks in Kansas. Another bubble bursted.


laughs

I love how he assumes that he's being very informative by letting me know that there are no storks involved with giving birth. :lol:

(refrains from saying &%*$*# %&$##*$ $&@%# )


I think that was humourous whimsy on garyww's part (though I stand to be corrected!)


Of course it was. He was being ironic. I can't believe that anyone thinks he was serious.


By the way, yes sometimes I do have troubles picking up on jokes, even obvious ones. I can't believe you would be surprised by that on an autism messageboard.

In this case, I got the joke. ;)



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15 Jan 2009, 12:11 am

I was letting you know that there were no storks in Kansas. So as a child I had to form other opinions as to how children arrived there as opposed to coastal Texas, hence the bubble burst comment.
To some extent or another everybody lives in a world defined by the things that they think they know and that they think won't change and all of a sudden one day something changes and then they have to start all over again from scratch.


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25 Jan 2009, 4:54 pm

Akelahbc wrote:
Hi All, I'm new to this and only joined up yesterday as I suspect my partner to be AS - and I suspect myself to be NT! Your discussion here is very interesting and I can see the main points from two angles.

Firstly as a mother. I miscarried a baby - all be it at the end of the first trimester - and that confirmed I would NEVER be able to ask for an abortion. This was tested a year or so later when pregnant again the doctors told me I had Rubella and there was a good possibility the baby would be born blind or deaf - or both. There was no doubt in my mind - that baby would be loved and nurtured regardless of any abnormalities - as someone has said, a disability is only a disability if you allow it to be one. - I now have a beautiful and typical (whatever that may be) 20 year old daughter.

Secondly, as a 46 year old, my partner is just seeking a diagnosis for AS. He has read the traits, how others feel, and I have read several blogs and threads on WP and he does seem VERY typically AS. But he has coped - all be it in his own way all his life. (he's ended up caring for both his teenage daughters when the marriage broke down). He, I think, is relieved that he has a reason for how HE has felt all his life, but nobody else except me can see all his difficulties. (I am very sympathetic as I am dyslexic and have language limitations where as ASers have social limitations!) My question here is just where on the spectrum would it be acceptable to allow or even promote abortion, and where would it be unacceptable? With Down's Syndrome there is an actual chromosome defect - if my memory serves me correctly - and even those with mosaic Down's (the less severe ones) I think it is just one of the chromosomes that is abnormal. There is a criteria to be fulfilled. With a spectrum this can't be so, can it? Would they ever think to test and abort Dyslexics? I see dyslexia and AS in a similar light - normal (well, we're ALL special) people with limitations - have I got this right? I wouldn't want to demean either side!


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20 Apr 2009, 3:54 am

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The study (only the abstract):

Fetal testosterone and autistic traits


And, in the same number of the review, another article criticizing (it seems) the conclusions of the study:


Are autistic traits autistic?


The study (I think):

http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/doc ... al_BJP.pdf