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04 Jan 2014, 6:11 am

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would any NTs here want to have kids with an Aspie if they knew there was a strong chance of the child having AS, though a higher functioning form?

(i want to have kids, but have heard that there are genetic links between AS and ADHD, etc).



Honestly, speaking from experience (married to AS husband, have 2 kids 2 & 4 and another on the way), I would be more concerned about what kids would do to my AS spouse. Having kids has intensified my husband's issues to an insane degree. He loves our kids and they adore him but he doesn't interact with us. He barely speaks to me, we never have conversations and any and all affection has ceased. He used to talk to me and we felt like partners, now he is drained from work and when he gets home he's pretty much done. He used to have strict routines and got all my attention, now we have 2 unpredictable little people who sometimes I wonder if he looks as as an inconvenience versus the amazing little gifts they are. I feel like a single parent most of the time. He was always the one who wanted kids, I was never really sure or felt the urge (until after my first miscarriage) which makes how things are now even harder to deal with.

That being said my kids are amazing, smart and sweet little girls and are seriously the best thing that has ever happened to me.


I think that I will be in the same scenario if my husband and I have children. A year ago we experienced a prolonged period of external stress, his issues intensified and our relationships been really different since then. Can stress trigger a change in AS every time? Any Aspies or NTs with advice?



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04 Jan 2014, 8:23 am

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Aspies, as a child were you outgoing or introverted? my son is so cracking up all the time, it's hard to believe that he'll ever be shy!


Not only introverted, but very shy. I got over the shyness over time, though I'd still describe myself as introverted.


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05 Jan 2014, 2:37 pm

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Aspies, as a child were you outgoing or introverted? my son is so cracking up all the time, it's hard to believe that he'll ever be shy!


Apperently I was very outgoing as a child. I think it lasted until I started kindergarden. Probably because I started feeling different from my peers. I gradually got more and more introverted, as I started feeling inferior to other people.



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06 Jan 2014, 12:13 am

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Is body language in themselves and/or others ever something NT's are consciously aware of or monitor? Are you only aware of it when it's abnormal or ambiguous? Does it take any mental effort?

tl;dr wondering why there's so much advice about body language directed towards NT's when I was always told it's something NT's intuitively understand and practice.


I don't think anyone can accurately read body language. No one knows for sure how someone else feels unless the person states it directly. As a female NT sometimes I am being nice to a guy and he interprets it as I am Interested in more than that.

Rather than "wonder" if someone is flirting my advice would be that if you are interested in a girl ask her out. Women appreciate a confident guy who is not afraid to approach her. If she is interested then she will let you know via her response. I also think its ok to persist in a nice way if she says no the first time yiu ask her out OR you don't have to make it a "date" just invite her to events etc. that you may be going with your friends.

So to answer your question "no even NTs have no clue." I think NTs may be more aware if social cues as far as when someone is done listening to you or when someone seems sad but as far as flirtinf that is difficult for everyone. Hope this helps.


I am mostly NT but social awkward. But I learned to flirt and know when someone was flirting with me. But men misunderstood my being nice as flirting all the time. Before I met my husband, I was flirting with his friend and he did not know I was flirting with him. Years later we talked at he had no idea. I turned from him to my husband who I also just met and started talking to him. I did not flirt with him but was just trying to avoid a really drunk guy. Brian and I talked for hours but I don't think either of us were flirting. We just had easy conversation. He never made eye contact and talked about his life without asking me about mine. After awhile I realized he was very interesting but odd. I was attracted to his eccentric side for sure. I never met someone who was so comfortable to talk to. He did say I talked a lot about useless stuff like the weather and did not know really talk like that. He is blunt and does not sugarcoat anything. It is a little hard to deal with sometimes but conversation is very easy with him because he only wants to talk about deep things. Before him I only talked about useless things with my friends. I never knew anyone who was deep other than my family. I acted NT due to necessity in my teens because no one around me was like me at all. 20 years later I am no longer around people from school and our friends are all eccentric in one way or another.


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08 Jan 2014, 4:15 pm

NTs: What stuff do you have trouble with that Aspies seem to do easily?


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09 Jan 2014, 10:39 am

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NTs: What stuff do you have trouble with that Aspies seem to do easily?


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09 Jan 2014, 5:32 pm

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NTs: What stuff do you have trouble with that Aspies seem to do easily?


remember and follow routines/rules. I am an NT and have three kids. My aspie partner has helped set up a whole routine with rules on what happens when, and he follows it consistently and effectively with the kids... however i often find myself forgetting, and having the kids remind me that i've forgotten to do xyz, such as tell them what time the 'last orders' is for pudding etc.






I have a question too.. My aspie partner has a great amount of focus which he can only put onto one thing at a time; and for that time, usually a couple of weeks, he's completely committed to whatever it is, usually a project of some kind, however after those two weeks it kind of goes into the background as another project comes along... I was wondering whether this is something that happens to all aspies, and also if you know of any way to gently break your focus a little without it making you feel uncomfortable, for if I need to discuss something which i feel is either equally or of greater urgency/importance.



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09 Jan 2014, 8:08 pm

To NTs...do you always think when someone's voice gets higher that they are lying?

I received a Christmas gift from my sister in law of a Pop! Spock figure. I was overjoyed but in the chaos of everyone opening Christmas gifts my sister in law didn't seem to notice. I could tell that she wasn't sure if I liked my gifts or not, so when she asked if the gifts were good enough I answered 'they were great' yet my voice went so high it cracked. She took this as proof I was lying.

Half the time I don't even speak in my own accent. When my mood is level my voice is quiet and not full of a lot of expression. Then I can become hyper and everything sounds exaggerated. Sometimes I think due to my social anxiety sometimes when I give compliments they don't sound like I mean them.

But seriously that Spock toy was awesome and I'm just too nervous to sound convincing, and I don't like being called a liar when I was being sincere.


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10 Jan 2014, 5:50 am

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To NTs...do you always think when someone's voice gets higher that they are lying?

I received a Christmas gift from my sister in law of a Pop! Spock figure. I was overjoyed but in the chaos of everyone opening Christmas gifts my sister in law didn't seem to notice. I could tell that she wasn't sure if I liked my gifts or not, so when she asked if the gifts were good enough I answered 'they were great' yet my voice went so high it cracked. She took this as proof I was lying.

Half the time I don't even speak in my own accent. When my mood is level my voice is quiet and not full of a lot of expression. Then I can become hyper and everything sounds exaggerated. Sometimes I think due to my social anxiety sometimes when I give compliments they don't sound like I mean them.

But seriously that Spock toy was awesome and I'm just too nervous to sound convincing, and I don't like being called a liar when I was being sincere.


Hi Pensive. Higher pitch does not always indicate lying, it can indicate discomfort, or an emotional response. Thats how I see it. Your sister in law might not understand social anxieties, and how that can impact on communication. A thank you card for the thoughtful gift might smooth things over and in time she may come to understand your sincerity and become less confused between words and the tone of the sentence.



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10 Jan 2014, 6:11 am

Hi xiaoqi
[/quote]I have a question too.. My aspie partner has a great amount of focus which he can only put onto one thing at a time; and for that time, usually a couple of weeks, he's completely committed to whatever it is, usually a project of some kind, however after those two weeks it kind of goes into the background as another project comes along... I was wondering whether this is something that happens to all aspies, and also if you know of any way to gently break your focus a little without it making you feel uncomfortable, for if I need to discuss something which i feel is either equally or of greater urgency/importance.[/quote]

Best guess.. I dont know if its possible or productive to break focus in this way? Its like a process that must be worked through, and interruptions during this time seem to take away from the individual benefits of the time spent on a project. In my situation I think its how he resources himself, and everyone benefits from the dividends. Aspies, am I on the right track?



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10 Jan 2014, 9:45 am

Tokename wrote:
Hi xiaoqi
I have a question too.. My aspie partner has a great amount of focus which he can only put onto one thing at a time; and for that time, usually a couple of weeks, he's completely committed to whatever it is, usually a project of some kind, however after those two weeks it kind of goes into the background as another project comes along... I was wondering whether this is something that happens to all aspies, and also if you know of any way to gently break your focus a little without it making you feel uncomfortable, for if I need to discuss something which i feel is either equally or of greater urgency/importance.[/quote]

Best guess.. I dont know if its possible or productive to break focus in this way? Its like a process that must be worked through, and interruptions during this time seem to take away from the individual benefits of the time spent on a project. In my situation I think its how he resources himself, and everyone benefits from the dividends. Aspies, am I on the right track?[/quote]

Thanks, I do agree that it pays dividends for him to be able to work on things like this, work projects especially, but unfortunately this sometimes meant that other deadlines approach (or go whooshing past) while he is focussed on them... I can't take on the business projects for him, so I need some way of getting him to go back to the previous project long enough to finish it before the deadline, rather than ignoring it having become absorbed in something new. I was just wondering whether any aspies have found a way of switching focus which doesn't cause disruption, or whether I really do have to wait for that cycle of focus to end and then try and reintroduce the other project.



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10 Jan 2014, 7:46 pm

Is this an acceptable venue for long, complicated questions?

If so:

What's the best way to deal with an Aspie's fire-hydrant written communication style, especially when it's filled with so many fluff filler words, unnecessary repetition, unrequested irrelevant details and seemingly random tangents that it's impossible to decipher what they're trying to convey? As in, you send a three-line mail with a simple question or sharing something general not requiring a response, and the reply is *pages* long.

This friend, let's call him Marvin, is a really good guy; I wouldn't be trying to get through to him on the communication thing if I didn't value his character, intelligence, kindness, generosity, and myriad other positive traits including being terrific with my cat.

He's regularly inadvertently rude, often comes across majorly creepy, generally smells pretty bad, persistently tries to extend visits ("oh, you're asking me to leave now bc you're tired and after that will need some downtime then have stuff to do? no problem, I can play with the cat next to your bed while you nap") and discounts the efforts my boyfriend makes to reduce Marvin's isolation a bit. But right now, the communication thing is the biggest barrier to getting along.

Marvin complains that people reject him without offering a clue as to what he did wrong. But when I try to share how he comes across, he immediately counters, dismisses what I've said, and starts rambling about something at most vaguely related. So regarding the over-writing, I've been direct, I've suggested replying at no more length than text he's replying to, I've begged, I've pleaded, I've shared my own experience in learning to self-edit, I've told him there's *no* way I can get through his walls of text. It sounds like being asked to edit (and to stop complaining for paragraphs about how much time he already put into editing/filtering) brings up a lot of emotional pain for Marvin.


(Have tried various search terms in hopes of finding this addressed elsewhere on the board; grateful for any links. Or if this question is best posted elsewhere, please let me know.)



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10 Jan 2014, 11:32 pm

ZaphodsCloset wrote:
Is this an acceptable venue for long, complicated questions?

If so:

What's the best way to deal with an Aspie's fire-hydrant written communication style, especially when it's filled with so many fluff filler words, unnecessary repetition, unrequested irrelevant details and seemingly random tangents that it's impossible to decipher what they're trying to convey? As in, you send a three-line mail with a simple question or sharing something general not requiring a response, and the reply is *pages* long.

This friend, let's call him Marvin, is a really good guy; I wouldn't be trying to get through to him on the communication thing if I didn't value his character, intelligence, kindness, generosity, and myriad other positive traits including being terrific with my cat.

He's regularly inadvertently rude, often comes across majorly creepy, generally smells pretty bad, persistently tries to extend visits ("oh, you're asking me to leave now bc you're tired and after that will need some downtime then have stuff to do? no problem, I can play with the cat next to your bed while you nap") and discounts the efforts my boyfriend makes to reduce Marvin's isolation a bit. But right now, the communication thing is the biggest barrier to getting along.

Marvin complains that people reject him without offering a clue as to what he did wrong. But when I try to share how he comes across, he immediately counters, dismisses what I've said, and starts rambling about something at most vaguely related. So regarding the over-writing, I've been direct, I've suggested replying at no more length than text he's replying to, I've begged, I've pleaded, I've shared my own experience in learning to self-edit, I've told him there's *no* way I can get through his walls of text. It sounds like being asked to edit (and to stop complaining for paragraphs about how much time he already put into editing/filtering) brings up a lot of emotional pain for Marvin.


(Have tried various search terms in hopes of finding this addressed elsewhere on the board; grateful for any links. Or if this question is best posted elsewhere, please let me know.)

For the emails tell him that people will understand him better if he keeps his short. The other stuff is harder to deal with. I think he needs professional help for the other stuff.


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11 Jan 2014, 3:33 am

Thanks, DK.

He's early-50s, and only recently diagnosed. Has a gazillion reasons why he *can't* write shorter, now including something about if-people-really-had-a-problem-with-reading-long-texts-nobody-would-read-books.

I don't want to write him off, but ...



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ZaphodsCloset wrote:
Thanks, DK.

He's early-50s, and only recently diagnosed. Has a gazillion reasons why he *can't* write shorter, now including something about if-people-really-had-a-problem-with-reading-long-texts-nobody-would-read-books.

I don't want to write him off, but ...

Maybe you should send him extremely long emails, so he knows how hard long emails are to read. I used to have the same problem as him.


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15 Jan 2014, 6:21 pm

Hi all, it's been a while since I have been on WP! I have missed you all! Your questions, strong opinions and sometimes amusing ideas! It's nice to be home!

I was very extroverted as a kid.

This was just my natural demeanor/personality....I enjoyed life immensly.....and I never considered that my life was in any way different to anyone else's! That's not to say I didn't have difficulties....I did. Many times, I can remember, I fell out with my friends, such as they were, through some off the wall action of mine! One vivid memory is getting punched in the nose because I let my mate's bike tyres down in retribution for some slight, real or imagined! I cannot remember what he had said or done but obviously my solution was, as usual, a bit of an overreaction! But there were hundreds of situations that didn't rise to violence after which I no longer could call a person a friend. In fact I have worn out the people I have enjoyed as friends and now have only casual aquaintences. Very peaceful, but a bit lonely!

I always played outside as a kid and still love nature and the great outdoors today! The peace of the natural world calms my inner turmoil and I find myself in great meditative moods frequently, while camping or just sitting quietly out in the bush! As I've got older and less fit, I no longer undertake any great strenuous adventures, rather a gentle swim or quietly sit, watching the birds, keeps my mind both stimulated and peaceful!

I have made a life of energetically pursuing activities and projects, which once completed to my satisfaction I NEVER repeat! Strangely, I cannot get interested in stuff I've done before, enough to have another go; sailing, competitive/fitness swimming, carpentry, cycling although I was a successful competitor in my early adulthood! Cars and mechanics are about all, and camping!I haven't been on a boat since 2011! Strange, that was my main interest for about 55 years!

To fill in time at home and to keep my mind active, I read. In the last 10 years since I was diagnosed AS I have read many fascinating non-fiction books....stuff that explains how the peoples of the world interact, historical biographies and accounts of major world events.....WWII, WWI, revolutions, successful people from past and present, and personal autobiographies....all really interesting stuff. I lately realise that I have been replacing the missed relationships from my life with the pages of these books and the tales they hold! Is that so sad? I wonder? It gives me a relationship with someone, without the risks inherent with an AS input! Hehehe..... I also watch a bit of TV...again non-fiction, non-commercial stations.....as I cannot enjoy fictional stuff unless it is in some way historical or instructive!

It all sounds quite boring really! Sometimes I do suffer from ennui but life at last is peaceful, the noise in my head has dimmed and I sleep well for the first time in my life! Must be doing something right!

Why can we not be given an instruction book to help make a life, at birth? Mine would be very dog eared by now!

See ya'll!