why are they so many AS fakers?

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Thanks for clarifying that. You are right. I think people who don't have Autism or Aspergers has a right to be on this forum as well. It is these people claiming to be Autistic or have Aspergers Syndrome for the sake of being on a forum when they are not that bothers me. You are going to find fake people on every forum and that is a fact of life that we will have to live with. I believe in being honest not making myelf out as something I am not just to impress.

As far as presenting proof, that there are some fakers, how do you propose I do that unless the fakers come forth and confess?

I don't know, you can't judge a book by its cover. So even if there may be people on WP "faking" being on the autism spectrum, unless you live their life/know them in person, in my opinion, there is no way for you to judge if what they say is true or not.

So I don't see the point of the debate.

Any debate is useless. The point is in the knowledge that it exists so Aspie's can be on the alert to protect themselves.

Who cares if people on here have autism or not. This place is also for people with any neurological condition who have also felt different their whole life or struggle. I think people with social anxiety are welcome here too or nerdy/geeky NTs who also are out of place. Plus we have NT members here too because they have a child on the spectrum or have a partner with it or friend. I don't really care who is autistic or not or who are self diagnosed or who suspect they may or may not have it.

This thread isn'y about members who are not Aspie's. It's about members that fake being Aspie's.

Well, sure, it's nice to be aware that some people may not have it when they say they do, but I doubt that is common. Who wants to have AS? And it's an internet forum, so it's a given that people could be lying.

And I'm sure not everyone who comes here with concerns about having AS would qualify for a diagnosis. But NTs can display traits of AS to a non-clinical degree, so I wouldn't deny their experience. But aside from knowing those two things, I wouldn't go as far to judge who I think is faking it. You really can't tell. Some people who appear as NT could have mild AS, and be able to hide their true selves to fit in.

(I may be repeating something already said, I realize.)

So what's it like to interact with NTs? They don't get you? They aren't nice to you? They want you to do things their way? They don't understand you? You really expect those with Asperger's to be any better at not doing those things than NTs? Seems like, overall, they'd be just as bad or worse than the NTs.

All the frustrating qualities of NTs, from the aspie perspective, the inability to connect with us, inability to see things are way, honestly, we should expect that just as much or more from an aspie. NTs are bad at doing those things with aspies/autistics. Aspies are bad (comparatively) at doing them period.

there are people here that are not Aspie, but say they are and ther're "working it" which is a directed psychological assault, and a violation of a trust. It's not something to hate really but be aware of as in any other threat. Much better to love the good and simply ignore the bad.

I had already come to the conclusion that there's not much to choose between aspies and NTs in terms of wanting to avoid them. It's just the majority of human behaviour that I can't tolerate, whatever their condition. I just seem to not be able to relate to most of them and feel rejected by most of them as well and feel no incentive to convince them of my worth - I prefer avoidance. I think to a certain extent I'm just too stubborn and unwilling to do the 'When In Rome' thing as to me it means acting like you've had a frontal lobotomy and I just can't do it!

I know that. Someone wrote about they wouldn't be surprised if 25% of people on here don't have AS and this thread is about faking AS right?

That is correct. Members who don't have AS and members who fake having AS are not mutually exclusive. You can be a member without AS and present yourself truthfully as a person without AS or you can be a person without AS and present yourself untruthfully as a person with AS. The latter being a violation of a trust and patently harmful.

Well said.

Do you have any proof of this?

many people have posted very lengthy posts that i believe are inculcated by their feelings that are simply reactions to their perceptions of "effrontery " that they glean from the topic title.

the people who squeal the loudest in protest of any suggestions that some people may be imposters in the realm of the description of autism, are the people who may have scant evidence that they are autistic i would suspect.

there is a growing stereotypical notion of high functioning autistic people that is favorable.

there is no aesthetic difference in the physical attractiveness of asperger people compared to non AS people.
there is the notion that AS people are more intelligent than non AS people.
there is the notion that AS people are as "clueless and innocent" as a cute animal whilst simultaneously possessing a thinking ability which is superior to almost all humans.

there is the perception that people with AS are always truthful and unaffected by social distortions.

there are many people who desperately search for their identities who like to imagine that they are AS because it is a rather attractive option for them (i believe).

I don't think people lie on purpose about having AS because they do truly believe they have it. There have been several members here who have admitted they were misdiagnosed with it and then they found out or they went to get tested for it finally and it turned out they didn't have it and they had something else instead and what do you know, they actually agreed that label fit them better. But according to Tony Attwood, 80% of self diagnosed aspies are correct so the rest are in the minority who have themselves wrong. He is probably going by his experience with his aspie patients and most of the time their self diagnoses was correct.

Sure no doubt people do pretend to have AS and they full well know they don't have it but how can we tell if someone is faking it or mistaking they have it? To me there is a difference between pretending to have it and believing they have it.

I always go by the thread title and what the thread is about so when someone makes a post talking about something completely different, it confuses me so I always think they are talking about what the thread is about. People would have to post in their thread "Okay this post here will have nothing to do with people faking it but.." so I know because I can't seem to figure it out myself. Human mistake or my ASD, I don't know.

Autistics tend to black and white thinking, that's why some autistics are thinking everyone else has to "fake" is who is different in their autism from them.
We have a person with Asperger's-Syndrom in our group and she is a bit paranoide (not the classic paranoia) and she thinks everyone who behaves like this just fakes autism, everyone who behaves like that also and so on and this is so terrible anoying.