22 Nov 2011, 2:27 pm
22 Nov 2011, 4:16 pm
pastafarian wrote:
I think most people here agree, autistics make very ineffective sociopaths because they lack cognitive empathy, they have heaps of emotional empathy, compassion and care. They are often very sensitive, have feelings, feel guilt and remorse and are bad liars.
I don't think Fraac is an uncover sociopath pretending to be an Aspie, as others have suggested. it looks that way but I think if you quiz him you might end up accepting his neurology is actually what he says, autistic + narcissism.
Miss Kitty Fantastico puts her finger on it by patiently asking Fraac, once again, to actually define and explain what he means. All along he was simply talking about "whats on the outside" and "whats on the inside" and he is not saying Aspies are sociopaths or saying anyone is one. But he didn’t communicate that successfully, as he has been using his own short code. Nor did he feel the need to clarify when it started to fail.
Instead Fraac mate, you just criticised others understanding of English, when in fact they simply couldn’t read your mind. What a fekkin cheeky bastard
You use your own words that need qualification (sub-optimal, preconscious, internal states,functionally sociopathic). Given that lots of AS people have difficulty communicating then surely you want to try harder to be successfully understood? You say you want to spread love, well people aren't simply stupid if they don't understand you.
If you do care, use less of your short code and use fuller English instead? Its sub-optimal I know (
) but if you want to learn anything real about people, ie your ‘special interest’ you need to think about aiming for a successful outcome - otherwise you are just processing stuff through your brain alone (and therefore, as would be true of any human being it will be flawed nonsense).
The term "functionally sociopathic", could have been phrased “In a lot of contexts Aspies can seem sociopaths on the outside, but of course inside we are very different” Then it wouldn't seem like you were saying autistics are sociopaths. Surely you want to learn from people? (and not as actually happened, just irritate sores, seem like you are trolling, or raise suspicions you are an undercover sociopath who wants to pretend to be an Aspie? )
Autistics are not the 2D robots you project (super-smart, super-rational, super-honest, super-logical, unemotional). That would be simpler for your overall model, which as you have basically said in other threads requires NTs are 2D nob-ends (stupid, irrational, emotional, lying monkeys). I think you prize your superior autistic mind - but then don't see WP as a community of individuals with complex feelings. I think rather you see it as a database to be interrogated for answers regards your 'special interest'. How do you deal with complexity generally?
You are superbly confident in your analysis - no doubt you are smart, but your emotional intelligence is letting you down big time. Do you meet people in your life who you learn from? You will not understand the very heart of your special interest, until you get those 2D 'types' to become 3D individuals with complex emotions that will never fit any model. Don't accept this until you have your own evidence, so therefore you need to go gather evidence in the real world. Meet some real people, test yourself, test your model, practice liking people? You might find you enjoy it
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fraac wrote:
I mean that in lots of contexts you couldn't tell the difference.
I don't think Fraac is an uncover sociopath pretending to be an Aspie, as others have suggested. it looks that way but I think if you quiz him you might end up accepting his neurology is actually what he says, autistic + narcissism.
Miss Kitty Fantastico puts her finger on it by patiently asking Fraac, once again, to actually define and explain what he means. All along he was simply talking about "whats on the outside" and "whats on the inside" and he is not saying Aspies are sociopaths or saying anyone is one. But he didn’t communicate that successfully, as he has been using his own short code. Nor did he feel the need to clarify when it started to fail.
Instead Fraac mate, you just criticised others understanding of English, when in fact they simply couldn’t read your mind. What a fekkin cheeky bastard
You use your own words that need qualification (sub-optimal, preconscious, internal states,functionally sociopathic). Given that lots of AS people have difficulty communicating then surely you want to try harder to be successfully understood? You say you want to spread love, well people aren't simply stupid if they don't understand you.If you do care, use less of your short code and use fuller English instead? Its sub-optimal I know (
) but if you want to learn anything real about people, ie your ‘special interest’ you need to think about aiming for a successful outcome - otherwise you are just processing stuff through your brain alone (and therefore, as would be true of any human being it will be flawed nonsense).The term "functionally sociopathic", could have been phrased “In a lot of contexts Aspies can seem sociopaths on the outside, but of course inside we are very different” Then it wouldn't seem like you were saying autistics are sociopaths. Surely you want to learn from people? (and not as actually happened, just irritate sores, seem like you are trolling, or raise suspicions you are an undercover sociopath who wants to pretend to be an Aspie? )
Autistics are not the 2D robots you project (super-smart, super-rational, super-honest, super-logical, unemotional). That would be simpler for your overall model, which as you have basically said in other threads requires NTs are 2D nob-ends (stupid, irrational, emotional, lying monkeys). I think you prize your superior autistic mind - but then don't see WP as a community of individuals with complex feelings. I think rather you see it as a database to be interrogated for answers regards your 'special interest'. How do you deal with complexity generally?
You are superbly confident in your analysis - no doubt you are smart, but your emotional intelligence is letting you down big time. Do you meet people in your life who you learn from? You will not understand the very heart of your special interest, until you get those 2D 'types' to become 3D individuals with complex emotions that will never fit any model. Don't accept this until you have your own evidence, so therefore you need to go gather evidence in the real world. Meet some real people, test yourself, test your model, practice liking people? You might find you enjoy it
.No I don't accept someone is a narcissist and autistic considering the two clash.
No, I don't accept someone is an autistic narcissist considering the two clash.
If you've ever known of someone who is a narcissist, you'd find someone who is embarrassed when that person is in the same room with a shy person or someone who is obviously autistic considering it is viewed of as cramping one's style. They tend to look down on that sort of behavior and often see nice people as those who are trying to steal their limelight out to make them look bad for being really nice without a fake mask. They also view nice people as people to exploit. How exactly would that work with autism?
How can someone be considered autistic and narcissist? Explain.
Notice the over use of emoticons? Do you feel like somehow it appears fake?
or does it have the opposite affect for you? Explain.
People who try to fool people often resort to over use of emotion or even on the internet emoticons but it's just not really working on me.
Why should I trust your opinions when you already wrote. "I'm NT and I was born a natural liar."
22 Nov 2011, 4:24 pm
TheygoMew wrote:
No I don't accept someone is a narcissist and autistic considering the two clash.
No, I don't accept someone is an autistic narcissist considering the two clash.
No, I don't accept someone is an autistic narcissist considering the two clash.
I agree with that.....and I'd add hearing someone say "I am a narcissist" makes one of my eyebrows lift in an interrogative manner. Narcissists are in such deep denial, I cannot see this sentence without thinking "lie". Only a sociopath could try to pass as a narcissist .... Noone else would WANT to, for one, and a narcissist couldn't admit he's one.
22 Nov 2011, 4:48 pm
22 Nov 2011, 4:55 pm
TheygoMew wrote:
People who try to fool people often resort to over use of emotion or even on the internet emoticons but it's just not really working on me.
Why should I trust your opinions when you already wrote. "I'm NT and I was born a natural liar."
I'm not particularly fluent at forums, I didn't know I was over using them, I have hardly used them in my life before.
You have taken my quote about lying out of context, why would you do that? Thats really unfair.
It was a response to me saying autistics are generally bad liars (therefore poor ineffective sociopaths). A poster on this thread responded to me to say they were autistic and a good liar. I said everyone could learn to lie but for some its easy, I talked about my childhood lying and how I couldn't sustain a lie as an adult.
Why would you manipulate that, to basically say f**k my opinion, I'm a liar?
Why?
22 Nov 2011, 5:06 pm
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22 Nov 2011, 5:37 pm
pastafarian wrote:
i'd stick in an emoticon cos I thought they warmed things up a little, but that ain't gonna work!
Ha! Pernicious lies! You have just defeated your own self defense!
Everyone knows that true friendship and goodwill among humans is built upon a foundation of emoticons!
See diagram:
22 Nov 2011, 5:38 pm
22 Nov 2011, 5:53 pm
Burnbridge wrote:
pastafarian wrote:
i'd stick in an emoticon cos I thought they warmed things up a little, but that ain't gonna work!
Ha! Pernicious lies! You have just defeated your own self defense!
Everyone knows that true friendship and goodwill among humans is built upon a foundation of emoticons!
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Ha ha. Do I use the little f*****s or not? I used 3 in a very long post, does that really make me seem fake? I need to know so I can continue my pernicious manipulation and lying successfully?
I don't want to offend anyone on WP. I'm just wanting to learn stuff.
I'm rather fond of the emoticons, they make me smile and smiling is good. Thats my first non-smiley up there. I'm an emoticon virgin for all the rest, except hearts. I'm very tempted by the little men but I'm not yet confident I know how to use them.
Take the little f*****s away, I'm not fake and that matters to me.
22 Nov 2011, 6:02 pm
22 Nov 2011, 6:17 pm
fraac wrote:
I liked them. You were trying to engage me when making a point. It's like smiling in conversation.
Thats what I thought. Everytime I was making a point that could be taken the wrong way, I grin like a chimp to show friendliness. Is that fake? You can't see peoples face online so these funny little things seem to help a bit.
I use them all the time in texts. Its totally ridiculous I can be feeling low and some radio waves received by some solid state physics are received in me 'blackberry' and then decoded as smiley faces, and I smile back at them!
I remember smiles, I love grinning. Look it helps everything
22 Nov 2011, 6:26 pm
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