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13 Mar 2014, 11:46 am

What keeps me from doing it is getting mad at me and screaming at me and since I don't like that, it makes me too afraid to talk. I did that trick with my ex boyfriend and it worked like a charm and always got him to shut up and drop a discussion because he wouldn't agree to disagree. I wonder how he felt inside and how much it drove him crazy because he couldn't get it all out and make me agree with him because all it would do is piss me off and I would go off on him. :lol:


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13 Mar 2014, 12:05 pm

Imo the pain behind a lot of human behavior, autistic or so called nt, is unbearable, so it is understandable that people would use whatever device they can come up with not to directly feel it and to move away toward the relief of pleasure and so to have the painful feelings remain kind of subliminal. Of course we are not consciously aware that it is subliminal.. it could be anything--talking, sex, drugs, even a special interest....people are very creative around this kind of activity, actually, myself included, but it is not real creation, just a form of repetition, meaning the trauma is repeating itself in another guise--it is really just the same thing happening over and over but not consciously recognizable.

So, in the conversations I was having with my customers, I was seemingly releasing the trauma by talking about it, but was actually just releasing pressure, which would then build up again when various circumstances triggered this memory of trauma, or maybe I wanted it to be relived as I was stuck there and this was all I knew. There was seemingly no way out, but knowing it was happening, seeing that it was happening when it was happening became for me the beginning of finding the way out. I do not know if everyone can do it. There would have to be a dedication and also some kind of psychological support from the outside to help focus on the situation and not just avoid it.



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13 Mar 2014, 12:43 pm

I have nothing to say. I just wanted to add another catatar to the thread.


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13 Mar 2014, 2:35 pm

sometimes after a conversation has ended, I am still mulling it over in my head and think of something I want to say on the topic and just blurt it out.
Then everyone is silent.



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13 Mar 2014, 9:02 pm

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Another kitty. :D

I'm glad my sister moved out of the house and I only see her when she visits. It resulted in many fewer heated arguments. :lol:



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13 Mar 2014, 9:38 pm

How many consecutive kitties can we manage?



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13 Mar 2014, 9:41 pm

What really gets annoying is people trying to pretend their opinion is absolute fact...like autistic people are good at math well guess what I suck at it and I do not resemble a stereotypical nerd at all so stop catagorizing us as that, for f*** sake. I guess those are not specific things to WP but it happens here to.


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13 Mar 2014, 11:25 pm

My ex boyfriend did just that, have his opinions be facts. He would come up with a theory or speculation and pretend it's a fact when in fact it was his opinion and lot of things he said were his opinion and he wanted you to agree with him and have him be right.


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14 Mar 2014, 12:27 pm

It annoys me when there's someone waiting around the corner, just to pounce on me and wait to see if I'm going to run away from WP crying and not come back for the rest of the day. I used to defend my points of view with such people by using wordy responses to defend my opinion. Nowadays, I tell them that their view is just their opinion. The whole idea is for me to be a gentle soul, not for me to try and change people.


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14 Mar 2014, 1:27 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I have nothing to say. I just wanted to add another catatar to the thread.

And of course this does say something:-) A totally fascinating message. I do not know if people have ever thought about it, but the same act or comment done by different people at different times and locations can mean different things depending on the context and who is processing the material. If this message is taken squarely and exactly at face value, like pounding a great big post (or an ornamental cat totem with a final cat picture on the top (or on the bottom:-) into the ground, and it is just that, as stated, it will still mean different things to different people. Or even if it means the same thing, in that 'it is simply what it is,' which is unlikely, there is also the factor of whether a person pays conscious attention to it and how it affects his own functioning, whatever chord it strikes, or whether he just assimilates the material automatically without even thinking about it.



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14 Mar 2014, 1:57 pm

Verdandi wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
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r84shi37 wrote:
aspiemike wrote:
Pretty much said to me that it was in my Aspie trait that if there was something I wanted to contribute to a conversation, I needed to say it. But there are many others around during the conversation that would smoothly flow into the next topic of conversation without me getting to say what I wanted about the previous topic. So my attitude, as the therapist described it, was "wait a minute guys, we need to go back and finish this f***ing conversation." This in turn would annoy those in group settings as they felt the conversation was over and we moved on.



Holy crap... I didn't realize just how much I did this until I read this. Is this common?


Happens to me all the time.

daydreamer84: You didn't seem harsh at all. When I re-read my post it seemed a lot harsher than I intended, but I am glad you didn't take it that way.


This happens to me as well. Maybe we should be asking if there is anyone here who does not go through this.
My husband told me I do this too and he tells me people have moved on from that topic.


I have gone back to people days, weeks, months later and brought it up again to add my two cents. This is not always welcomed, and learning to resist the impulse was not easy.

Trying to drag a conversation back to that topic during a conversation is frustrating, though, because people really have moved on and often do not want to hear it.



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14 Mar 2014, 2:00 pm

Verdandi wrote:
886 wrote:
I have nothing more to contribute to this discussion, but I'd like to say that all the cat avatars in this thread are amazing.


:D


I'm not sure if it's my face blindness or not, but when I first joined WP, for quite awhile I thought that all of the cat avatars belonged to the same person.



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14 Mar 2014, 2:28 pm

vickygleitz wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
886 wrote:
I have nothing more to contribute to this discussion, but I'd like to say that all the cat avatars in this thread are amazing.


:D


I'm not sure if it's my face blindness or not, but when I first joined WP, for quite awhile I thought that all of the cat avatars belonged to the same person.

Do you realize when you make a double post? I always do, as I am a fanatic about getting certain getting things right, but only certain things, meaningful to me, which I am just starting to look at in a new light, as I never realized the possible implications of why I was doing it, part of which I think comes from childhood and a desperate attempt to please my parents, yet also I am making many similar processing mistakes about this system, not the same as you with the cats, but the same kind of thing.

littlebee wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I have nothing to say. I just wanted to add another catatar to the thread.

And of course this does say something:-) A totally fascinating message. I do not know if people have ever thought about it, but the same act or comment done by different people at different times and locations can mean different things depending on the context and who is processing the material. If this message is taken squarely and exactly at face value, like pounding a great big post (or an ornamental cat totem with a final cat picture on the top (or on the bottom:-) into the ground, and it is just that, as stated, it will still mean different things to different people. Or even if it means the same thing, in that 'it is simply what it is,' which is unlikely, there is also the factor of whether a person pays conscious attention to it and how it affects his own functioning, whatever chord it strikes, or whether he just assimilates the material automatically without even thinking about it.


I believe because of moving away from pain towards pleasure, which would be a normal thing to do, people (meaning all of us) put certain things in certain locations for various subjective reasons around how we need to shape the world. Often I am not consciously aware of why I am doing it, or sometimes I do think we know why, but the thinking behind the reasoning that determines it could still be wrong. In all of these instances, it is imo a movement away from pain towards pleasure, even if a person is biting the bullet and just staying with his own personal pain and feeling it for the greater good. In this latter case, the pain would be converted to pleasure, as there is kind of a thin line in dependent on subjective value. But again, a person can think/feel he is doing something for the good of many when actually, from another person's perspective it might be perceived as ignorant, mean, bullying or whatever....all of which could be 'false' or 'true' depending upon who is looking at the material, so there needs to be a gold standard of some sorts and also a way to test if it is the gold is actually real gold..



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14 Mar 2014, 2:53 pm

vickygleitz wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
886 wrote:
I have nothing more to contribute to this discussion, but I'd like to say that all the cat avatars in this thread are amazing.


:D


I'm not sure if it's my face blindness or not, but when I first joined WP, for quite awhile I thought that all of the cat avatars belonged to the same person.


You replied to another post (said reply is at the bottom of page 21) but I couldn't tell if you added anything because it's all quote.

I've had confusion issues with people before, sometimes persistently. Fortunately, it's only two people I've been confusing lately, and neither on this forum. It's not due to face blindness in my case, but username similarity.



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14 Mar 2014, 3:59 pm

Since so many people including myself, I fully acknowledge, and I don't think its just people who are autistic, are having problems with processing data 'wrong,' isn't it possible that you/we are processing some of the idea content on this thread 'wrong' or in a confused way? That is what enquiry is about, to assist each other other in focusing on reality in such a way as to try to sort out and remove wrong notions about it that are factored into our own way of thinking. If simple logic and/or the obvious being pointed out is so threatening that a person is intimidated by it and goes into the attack mode or retreat mode or selecting only pleasant bits of information or whatever, then there is no way out except to look at oneself as one is processing data and impartially try to see what is happening, the way ones own sensory processing is connecedt to life. Maybe this is what these recent messages are actually about...am not sure, but this is what mine are about.



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14 Mar 2014, 7:34 pm

Here is another cat who spent the day in Hollywood visiting spy shops to buy wearable spy cameras for good, not ebil, purpose.


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