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26 Oct 2009, 4:27 am

I didn't know intuitivly and I really dislike it. I understood it at 14 years old, looking at my peers and their interactions.


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26 Oct 2009, 9:38 am

TheMisfit, I once started writing a novel about a friendship like yours. Your analysis sounds very logical, and reminded me of the unfinished novel. I believe beautiful friendships can start like that, and transform the friends into their best selves. Wishing you all the best. And it's good that you appreciate the fact that he showed you his cards at some point.


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26 Oct 2009, 11:23 am

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I knew that people would sometimes get material benefits from having a friend or relationship with someone(nepotism). Such benefits might be a job, or money, or getting something free or cheaper.

I was completely unaware that anyone would explicitly form relationships with others to get such benefits(and I definitely didn't expect that it would be a common behavior). I thought that people only spent time being with people they liked being around.

For example, although I went to public school and college I never conceived that specific intentional interaction with a person might influence them to tell me about an opportunity to get a job, and I hadn't understood why people had given me their contact information.

Even though I went to college and many people told me I was very smart(and I am very academically smart) I didn't know that dealing with people had any other purpose than being able to spend time with them or doing business with them.

Although my grades in college were very good, I never asked any instructor or any other student if I could use them as a reference on my résumé because I didn't know that that would be something that anyone did.

I remember that my mom once asked me whether I had formed any good connections with people at school, and my first thought was that I didn't know that I was supposed to.

I was 23 when I found out about this.

Did you know instinctively about the concept of purposeful social networking? If not when did you learn about it?


I was probably in my mid-30's before I even began to understand that people do that. Even if I wanted to make connections like that (and I do see the value), HOW? I went back to university as a "mature" student about 12 years ago, and there wasn't ever an opportunity to talk to anyone. I drove to the campus, and went to class. What was I supposed to do, shout, "Hey, er, excuse me? Yeah, you? I'm in the same class as you. Would you like to get together sometime, even though we both have classes and other commitments and have nothing to say to each other?"

I did develop what I thought was a friendship with a professor (after I had taken his class, so the student/prof relationship no longer applied.) That could have been a good connection, but then he told me his circle of friends was already full. In other words, if I begin to make a connection with someone, which rarely happens, it soon goes badly wrong.

So, no, I didn't know about that instinctively. No one has ever attempted to do any social networking with me, and I never observed my parents doing anything like that, either. It seems very unnatural to me.



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26 Oct 2009, 11:29 am

Ditto, Wanda. However, my siblings are artists in this networking and befriending for benefits art. They've made a career of it and are hugely admired in their circles for it, with people overlooking all their horrendous inhumanity in favor of this one envied, worshipped trait they both have. And we have the same parents.


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26 Oct 2009, 11:51 am

I think it happens on the sub-conscious level a lot. The ploy to use people as stepping stones fails if it's obvious that you're doing it. The most successful people I've seen use this tactic are those who are naturally social & frineds with everyone anyway.

If I were to try it, I'd probably be seen as a snake in the grass.



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26 Oct 2009, 11:58 am

TheMisfit wrote:
Me too.

I have a course mate who befriended me so that he can get something from me. I was one of the top students back then, so he thought of obtaining study materials, study tips etc from me.

After a few months when he seemed to know me better, he told me "I befriended you because I thought I will benefit from this connection". I was 19 and never thought stuff like that can happen.


Someone once said something along thos elines ot me too. My (sarcastic) response? "I befriended you because I fancy your girlfriend".

Surprise surprise, we're not friends anymore.


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26 Oct 2009, 12:06 pm

We were taken photos of at a dept. breakfast from work. The moment the photographer said "cheese", this older colleague just grabbed both arms of the loveliest, most intelligent and promising rising star employee at the breakfast table, and now forever you'll see that photo pinned in our dept., which looks like they're intimate friends. Actually, they hardly ever spoke a word to each other, and the grabbed one was taken so by surprise (and so heavy in her pregnancy) that she didn't have time to move off before the camera shot. It was the nastiest thing I ever saw in connections fakeness - yet the photo is there and this woman is capitalizing on it a lot. And that's how she made a career all along.

My ex mother in law once happened to be at a theater where Elizabeth Taylor was, and when Taylor walked down the aisle to go home after the show, my ex mil was waiting and lurking, she ran up to where Taylor was walking, and started walking at the same level and pace, and she had alerted and paid the photographer. That was decades ago, yet she still has the photo of her "walking side by side with her friend Liz Taylor", a huge framed poster in the living room, and for decades she's been venerated by all for being such good friends with who was back then the most famous actress in the world. She only told ME the truth behind the photo, because she knew I wouldn't be impressed by those things anyway.

So I don't agree. Even if you look like a snake in the grass, it's a lot better than doing nothing.


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26 Oct 2009, 12:12 pm

My mother talked about that. I honestly don't give a s**t. I'd rather not conform and NOT fake normalcy and say whatever I want to - disregarding BS social taboos - than suck up and pretend to agree when people say garbage that's accepted because the majority accepts it (See pedophilia as an example). I'd rather get a reputation for being honest to a fault than dress/walk/act in a 'socially acceptable' way. Garbage and fail. /bias

Of course, I don't plan on doing ANYTHIING dealing with Law Enforcement or Government given their role in carrying on and preserving the existing social order.

EDIT: Other than my mother talking about that, one of my professors talked about how in a lot of cases it's 'who you know' more than 'what you know' (at least in the west). Oh, and those people on facebook who friend others to build their resume. And s**t like LinkedIn, etc.


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26 Oct 2009, 12:33 pm

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Other than my mother talking about that, one of my professors talked about how in a lot of cases it's 'who you know' more than 'what you know' (at least in the west). Oh, and those people on facebook who friend others to build their resume. And sh** like LinkedIn, etc.


Sure seems like it now, what with the economy/job market being what it is. Virtually every day I hear someone bantering about "social networking' being the key to getting a good job, and it seems to be on all the morning shows as a big topic now. But I think its true, at least from what I've seen. I work for a mid-size restaurant (not a chain, independent). Its rare for my company to cold hire people now, more often than not, its all about nepotism: hiring people who are the children of friends of the owners, or hiring relatives of current employees. That kind of thing. The job market is unbelievably tight where I live, there's fierce competition even for crappy PT work now. Also, it just seems that in general its all about cliques now, everywhere one goes.



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26 Oct 2009, 12:37 pm

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Its rare for my company to cold hire people now, more often than not, its all about nepotism: hiring people who are the children of friends of the owners, or hiring relatives of current employees. That kind of thing. The job market is unbelievably tight where I live, there's fierce competition even for crappy PT work now. Also, it just seems that in general its all about cliques now, everywhere one goes.


LOL. Interesting how in many Middle Eastern culture people put more focus on their family & tribe instead of a national community/political system. And soem of their hiring practices are basically nepotism. And some in the west complained about that. Looks like people are resorting to that garbage of 'who you know'. Oh dear. There's jokes about the boss's son not knowing jack about his business, etc.


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26 Oct 2009, 12:48 pm

I think it might be connected to not just the economy though, like when things get rough people do start to "flock" and maybe that's why the cliques and the nepotism. Not that it makes it any more acceptable, but I do think there is a kind of tribalism type behaviour going on under the surface, if that makes any sense.



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26 Oct 2009, 12:55 pm

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We were taken photos of at a dept. breakfast from work. The moment the photographer said "cheese", this older colleague just grabbed both arms of the loveliest, most intelligent and promising rising star employee at the breakfast table, and now forever you'll see that photo pinned in our dept., which looks like they're intimate friends. Actually, they hardly ever spoke a word to each other, and the grabbed one was taken so by surprise (and so heavy in her pregnancy) that she didn't have time to move off before the camera shot. It was the nastiest thing I ever saw in connections fakeness - yet the photo is there and this woman is capitalizing on it a lot. And that's how she made a career all along.

My ex mother in law once happened to be at a theater where Elizabeth Taylor was, and when Taylor walked down the aisle to go home after the show, my ex mil was waiting and lurking, she ran up to where Taylor was walking, and started walking at the same level and pace, and she had alerted and paid the photographer. That was decades ago, yet she still has the photo of her "walking side by side with her friend Liz Taylor", a huge framed poster in the living room, and for decades she's been venerated by all for being such good friends with who was back then the most famous actress in the world. She only told ME the truth behind the photo, because she knew I wouldn't be impressed by those things anyway.

So I don't agree. Even if you look like a snake in the grass, it's a lot better than doing nothing.


That whole "look at me, I'm best buddies with a celebrity" thing is nauseating to me. If you respect the person and their work, and find yourself in a position where you are able to interact with them, then why ruin the interaction by making them pose for photos and all that nonsense?

I have one actor whose work I'm interested in, in a sort of "special interest" kind of way, and I would rather stick pins in my eyes than try to get myself photographed with him or something like that. I'd be happy to sit and have an intelligent, private conversation with him, if I got the chance and he was happy with that, but it would cheapen the experience if I took pictures and posted them all over the internet. It would be like saying, "I'm only interested in talking to you because your high social status will make ME look good if I'm seen with you."

I sometimes go to IMdB message boards for various movies and actors, and I noticed there is one person who has posted in multiple places about how some famous stage actor accidentally spit on her when he was talking to her. It's clearly very important to her that as many people as possible know that this person spoke to her. He probably didn't have any choice, because she probably cornered him. And now thousands of people know that he accidentally spit on her, which is kind of a violation of his privacy, I think.

I wouldn't like to be a celebrity.



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26 Oct 2009, 3:14 pm

But the reality is that they do get ahead by doing those things. The aisle at the theater is a very narrow space, so my mil had that as an excuse to walk elbow to elbow with Taylor. Taylor never talked to her, never even noticed her, never looked her way, yet this woman made herself a celeb reputation in her circles for that photo. To be said in her defense is that all her life she had been told that she had "eyes like Liz Taylor", and that photo is an actual test (and proof) of that. She had always been curious to know if it was true, that's one of the reasons she wanted that photo to be taken so much, so she could compare.


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26 Oct 2009, 4:38 pm

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Blindspot149 that reminds me of something my brother told me, I think it's an employment screening quiz. It's a riddle and if you guess correctly that indicates you have a sociopathic way of thinking. Here goes:

A woman goes to a family wedding and while she's there she sees a man she's never met and falls in love at first sight. However he leaves before she has a chance to meet him. A year later she murders her sister. Why does she murder her sister?

I guessed wrong btw. :)


I would guess that the wedding was the wedding of the woman's sister, the woman hadn't met the groom until the day of the wedding, and it was him that she fell in love with. She murders her sister to get rid of her because she thinks that she'll then have a chance to have her sister's husband for herself.

Edit: Oh... I read on a bit further and found the answer. I was wrong too.



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26 Oct 2009, 4:41 pm

Hovis wrote:

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Blindspot149 that reminds me of something my brother told me, I think it's an employment screening quiz. It's a riddle and if you guess correctly that indicates you have a sociopathic way of thinking. Here goes:

A woman goes to a family wedding and while she's there she sees a man she's never met and falls in love at first sight. However he leaves before she has a chance to meet him. A year later she murders her sister. Why does she murder her sister?

I guessed wrong btw. Smile


I would guess that the wedding was the wedding of the woman's sister, the woman hadn't met the groom until the day of the wedding, and it was him that she fell in love with. She murders her sister to get rid of her because she thinks that she'll then have a chance to have her sister's husband for herself.


Nope. I give the answer earlier in the thread. :)


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26 Oct 2009, 5:12 pm

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I knew that people would sometimes get material benefits from having a friend or relationship with someone(nepotism). Such benefits might be a job, or money, or getting something free or cheaper.

I was completely unaware that anyone would explicitly form relationships with others to get such benefits(and I definitely didn't expect that it would be a common behavior). I thought that people only spent time being with people they liked being around.

For example, although I went to public school and college I never conceived that specific intentional interaction with a person might influence them to tell me about an opportunity to get a job, and I hadn't understood why people had given me their contact information.

Even though I went to college and many people told me I was very smart(and I am very academically smart) I didn't know that dealing with people had any other purpose than being able to spend time with them or doing business with them.

Although my grades in college were very good, I never asked any instructor or any other student if I could use them as a reference on my résumé because I didn't know that that would be something that anyone did.

I remember that my mom once asked me whether I had formed any good connections with people at school, and my first thought was that I didn't know that I was supposed to.

I was 23 when I found out about this.

Did you know instinctively about the concept of purposeful social networking? If not when did you learn about it?


I didn't understand until I was twenty that people talk to each other in order to tell each other things, I thought everything was confirmation or information, where to go etc. The whole chatting business I didn't know anything about, and when I did understand that it's there I still didn't know how it's done. I've always been able to say yes, no, please and thank you, which gets you pretty far, and I can fake a small conversation for a short while, but there comes a point when it drops out of sight and either I or the other person flees.

When they say 'talk is cheap' they are not talking about me. :cry: :( :) :D