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AriNecromare1213
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24 Dec 2010, 1:15 am

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Where's the person who originally started this topic? :?


Everyone scared her away.
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24 Dec 2010, 2:01 am

When I was 22 I knew that other people had jobs and wanted a job very much, but I didn't have an understanding of what was necessary to get a job. I was very depressed about it, and didn't do much except use my computer. I was told how lazy I was.

I was threatened but rather than encourage me to get a job(since I was convinced that no one would ever hire me) it made me scared that even though I didn't know what to do that I would end up homeless and not have a job and would starve and die. Threatening me made me constantly worried and made me feel worthless. It did not help me become self-supporting.

What would have helped me would have been help getting a job. I needed to know very very specific steps about what to do to get a job. I didn't understand where to look for jobs. I didn't understand how to contact anyone about jobs. I didn't understand the proper way to apply for jobs. I didn't understand what other people thought was important to put on a résumé. I didn't understand what details other people might add and what might be considered unimportant. I didn't understand the exact sentences to say, why to say them, and how to say them. In unfamiliar situations I still don't. It is never safe to assume that I know something about what other people want or expect unless I state that I am sure that I do.

I had managed to get some interviews but would always mess them up. I understood that there was such a thing as body language but I didn't understand the appropriate behaviors. And the answers I would give to interview questions were often completely inappropriate.

I only managed to get a job after I learned about AS and learned exactly how little I understood and how much I misunderstood. Over a period of several weeks I spent hours designing my résumé to make it good. I looked these things up and then watched YouTube videos like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0O4jnIpFB4

Having mock interviews with you or with his father may help. It may help him understand specifically what needs to be done to get a job and might change your perception of him; he may be largely clueless. He may actually be lazy, but he may also be clueless. I definitely was.

I got a job. I got a job doing skilled work, related to something I'm an expert in, and something I've been very focused on since I was a child. I've had a job for a few years now, and my employer and co-workers are happy with my work. I'm able to support myself now and I'm reasonably confident that I am capable of getting another job.



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24 Dec 2010, 2:04 am

Oh, tell me about it. I've had three jobs in the past 20 years, and they were the three jobs I didn't have to interview for.

For some reason I could never get past the interview stage otherwise.



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24 Dec 2010, 5:46 am

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At 22 he should be out of the nest and on his own unless he has something seriously wrong with him other than just laziness.


I disagree with this. For most 22 year olds today, it is not feasible to move out, as the cost of living tends to be too high for them, and the job market too poor. For a person with AS, the job market is even poorer.

The jobs that people with AS tend to be good are are usually ones that require a high level of education, and the ones that people with AS tend to be completely inept at and unable to perform to employers likings tends to be the entry level, customer service type jobs, which require skills those that AS generally don't have.

Many employers also prefer candidates who have their own transportation, meaning cars, which many with AS don't have due to the cost, and processing issues which inhibit one's ability to drive.

One summer, when I did not have school, I attempted to get a summer job. I filled out applications at every place that explicitly stated they were hiring for summer positions, which amounted to about 9. I got one interview after chased one of the store managers down at one of the local supermarkets I had applied at. I was willing to take any position except cashier, but I never heard back. When I've applied for jobs on other occasions, if I did hear back, it was usually only told that I wasn't the right candidate because they needed someone with a car, my employment record was too sparse, I didn't have enough resources, I was over qualified, underqualified, didn't pass the personality test, or they really just needed someone who could work the cash register quickly.

When I finally did move out, I had trouble finding housing because I had no prior references, couldn't afford many of the security deposits, my credit history was too short, I had no one to co-sign for me, or the landlord had an issue with me subletting to a roommate (even though everyone does it) and I couldn't afford the rent on my own.



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24 Dec 2010, 11:32 am

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When I was 22 I knew that other people had jobs and wanted a job very much, but I didn't have an understanding of what was necessary to get a job. I was very depressed about it, and didn't do much except use my computer. I was told how lazy I was.

I was threatened but rather than encourage me to get a job(since I was convinced that no one would ever hire me) it made me scared that even though I didn't know what to do that I would end up homeless and not have a job and would starve and die. Threatening me made me constantly worried and made me feel worthless. It did not help me become self-supporting.

What would have helped me would have been help getting a job. I needed to know very very specific steps about what to do to get a job. I didn't understand where to look for jobs. I didn't understand how to contact anyone about jobs. I didn't understand the proper way to apply for jobs. I didn't understand what other people thought was important to put on a résumé. I didn't understand what details other people might add and what might be considered unimportant. I didn't understand the exact sentences to say, why to say them, and how to say them. In unfamiliar situations I still don't. It is never safe to assume that I know something about what other people want or expect unless I state that I am sure that I do.

I had managed to get some interviews but would always mess them up. I understood that there was such a thing as body language but I didn't understand the appropriate behaviors. And the answers I would give to interview questions were often completely inappropriate.

I only managed to get a job after I learned about AS and learned exactly how little I understood and how much I misunderstood. Over a period of several weeks I spent hours designing my résumé to make it good. I looked these things up and then watched YouTube videos like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0O4jnIpFB4

Having mock interviews with you or with his father may help. It may help him understand specifically what needs to be done to get a job and might change your perception of him; he may be largely clueless. He may actually be lazy, but he may also be clueless. I definitely was.

I got a job. I got a job doing skilled work, related to something I'm an expert in, and something I've been very focused on since I was a child. I've had a job for a few years now, and my employer and co-workers are happy with my work. I'm able to support myself now and I'm reasonably confident that I am capable of getting another job.



might i ask what that job is?



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24 Dec 2010, 11:54 am

Chronos wrote:
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At 22 he should be out of the nest and on his own unless he has something seriously wrong with him other than just laziness.


I disagree with this. For most 22 year olds today, it is not feasible to move out, as the cost of living tends to be too high for them, and the job market too poor. For a person with AS, the job market is even poorer.

The jobs that people with AS tend to be good are are usually ones that require a high level of education, and the ones that people with AS tend to be completely inept at and unable to perform to employers likings tends to be the entry level, customer service type jobs, which require skills those that AS generally don't have.

Many employers also prefer candidates who have their own transportation, meaning cars, which many with AS don't have due to the cost, and processing issues which inhibit one's ability to drive.

One summer, when I did not have school, I attempted to get a summer job. I filled out applications at every place that explicitly stated they were hiring for summer positions, which amounted to about 9. I got one interview after chased one of the store managers down at one of the local supermarkets I had applied at. I was willing to take any position except cashier, but I never heard back. When I've applied for jobs on other occasions, if I did hear back, it was usually only told that I wasn't the right candidate because they needed someone with a car, my employment record was too sparse, I didn't have enough resources, I was over qualified, underqualified, didn't pass the personality test, or they really just needed someone who could work the cash register quickly.

When I finally did move out, I had trouble finding housing because I had no prior references, couldn't afford many of the security deposits, my credit history was too short, I had no one to co-sign for me, or the landlord had an issue with me subletting to a roommate (even though everyone does it) and I couldn't afford the rent on my own.



I love this, people act like it's so dam easy to make it on your own. You need that middleclass lifestyle to make it



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24 Dec 2010, 12:05 pm

ApsieGuy wrote:
I love this, people act like it's so dam easy to make it on your own. You need that middleclass lifestyle to make it


Where I am, I could easily live on minimum wage if need be and I LOVE knowing that!!



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24 Dec 2010, 1:19 pm

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might i ask what that job is?
I work as a network administrator.

Ever since I was really young I have been really interested in computer interfaces, not necessarily what can be produced using computers, but how different applications accept input, their shortcuts, consistency, et cetera. Any time I'm learning how to use a new application or operating system I usually spend many hours using it to understand how each control works and to notice inconsistencies in its behavior or inconsistencies between behavior among different applications from the same company.

At my workplace I've configured all of the computers so I can control them remotely from my office, and I've set up a system where people email me their computer problems(unless they can't use email, in which case they can contact me in another way). That way I have a list of things to do and I can fix most of them immediately and remotely.

I also get to make decisions about which applications and equipment to purchase.



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24 Dec 2010, 1:21 pm

matt wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
might i ask what that job is?
I work as a network administrator.

Ever since I was really young I have been really interested in computer interfaces, not necessarily what can be produced using computers, but how different applications accept input, their shortcuts, consistency, et cetera. Any time I'm learning how to use a new application or operating system I usually spend many hours using it to understand how each control works and to notice inconsistencies in its behavior or inconsistencies between behavior among different applications from the same company.

At my workplace I've configured all of the computers so I can control them remotely from my office, and I've set up a system where people email me their computer problems(unless they can't use email, in which case they can contact me in another way). That way I have a list of things to do and I can fix most of them immediately and remotely.

I also get to make decisions about which applications and equipment to purchase.


do you have a degree?



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24 Dec 2010, 1:49 pm

I have a two-year degree. I got it when I was almost 24.

The requirements for my job don't include having a degree. Many technical jobs only require certain technical certifications. A person could get a job repairing computers if they just had CompTIA A+ certification.



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24 Dec 2010, 2:13 pm

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At 22 he should be out of the nest and on his own unless he has something seriously wrong with him other than just laziness.
cant agree more....


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24 Dec 2010, 2:33 pm

Why do aspies so often forget that it's a spectrum and just because they might be able to get a job easily doesn't mean they all can?

The son in question could be lazy, but I've heard it so often that aspies are called lazy when they're not that I doubt it's the case.



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24 Dec 2010, 5:46 pm

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Maybe just "try your hardest"?



Yeah, yeah, I hear ya. "Everybody like me can coast but YOU aren't like me so YOU must work EXTRA hard to be of value!".

Try harder to what? Please people who are never going to be pleased? Did you know that "autistic" is not synonymous with "stupid"?

I learned very early that it doesn't pay to please people. They are never satisfied.

Out of all of my jobs, I have only been fired twice. Both times was for blowing my top. I always seem to end up doing the work of three people (it's easy when you don't socialize) and then having more work added to that. Granted, I am "high-functioning" with a freakish IQ but it is no different. It doesn't matter how much I do or how well I do it. I don't socialize, therefore I am considered sub-standard.

Try harder?

Kiss my what?



Well kiss mine.

I said try your hardest, not try harder. The only one that knows if you are putting in full effort is YOU. Everyone has a different level of functioning. But each of us can choose to find our own limits or can choose to be slackers.

So yeah. Try your HARDEST until trying harder isn't possible. If that means you can't hold down a regular job, so be it. At least you can hold your head up and know you are living to YOUR best.

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But people who know about autism and STILL push, push, push - I'm sorry but they suck.


You either keep pushing or the world (including other autistics) will pass you by.

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Who wants to be like everyone else? Trying to be like everyone else is for fools. Trying to be YOUR best is a different goal entirely

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You know what autism is? It is something where every one on the spectrum is different. But none get a free pass to be anything less than their best.


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24 Dec 2010, 5:56 pm

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Why do aspies so often forget that it's a spectrum and just because they might be able to get a job easily doesn't mean they all can?

The son in question could be lazy, but I've heard it so often that aspies are called lazy when they're not that I doubt it's the case.

Yes exactly. Or like me who is fearful of working. People won't hire me anyway especially with my current mental state.


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24 Dec 2010, 6:22 pm

There's often other useful stuff you can do; I tend toward volunteer work, for example. It's important not to believe the people who say you're useless if you can't work, because that's just not true. Everybody can do something.


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24 Dec 2010, 6:30 pm

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There's often other useful stuff you can do; I tend toward volunteer work, for example. It's important not to believe the people who say you're useless if you can't work, because that's just not true. Everybody can do something.

I'm still practicing my skills. Photography, scientific knowledge, artistic skills, etc.


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