Would you take the cure or be killed?

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Would you be cured or killed?
Cured 52%  52%  [ 17 ]
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21 Jun 2011, 6:38 pm

I personally have a very clear difference in definition between CURE and CORRECTIVE TREATMENT.

Have a good think about that.

For a "cure" to truly meet the criteria of being a cure rather than just another "treatment" it would have to leave basic personality and attributes intact - all this stuff about the "change" involved being unacceptable IMO is not referencing a "cure" in a properly defined form - it's jumping up and down about a corrective TREATMENT.

Corrective treatment I'd fight tooth and nail against - but a proper cure I'd jump at...

I think those reacting negatively are actually thinking of "cure" as being akin to a lobotomy - but that would NOT BE a proper cure, would it? A cure is a CURE - not just a solution.


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21 Jun 2011, 6:39 pm

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There is already a cure for autism. It is called oppressing the autistic. Bosses are instructed to fire autistic workers. Teachers constantly slam autistics with bad grades. The hope is that with enough discrimination the autistic will change his ways.

Firstly, that's not a cure, that's just prejudice. A century or so of slavery (I'm not hot on American history) didn't "cure" black people, being fired from jobs won't "cure" the autistic.

Secondly, it's a load of paranoid rubbish. Teachers don't constantly slam autistics with bad grades. I get excellent marks. Another AS boy I know gets above average results. The two severely autistic boys I know get better grades than a lot of NTs. As for jobs, companies generally don't cut off their nose to spite their face.

If people on the spectrum are "oppressed", it is mostly socially, which is also probably a better cure than not giving us jobs as a fair number of us consequently won't reproduce.



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21 Jun 2011, 6:48 pm

Look at Einstein and look how those teachers cheated him out of a grade and the same goes for Thomas Edison.



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21 Jun 2011, 6:52 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Look at Einstein and look how those teachers cheated him out of a grade and the same goes for Thomas Edison.


But the teachers didn't know that they had autism.



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21 Jun 2011, 7:04 pm

And Einstein wasn't cheated, he just couldn't do some aspects of maths.

Now if he was alive today, with PCs, imagine how brilliant he'd be...



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21 Jun 2011, 7:19 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Look at Einstein and look how those teachers cheated him out of a grade and the same goes for Thomas Edison.


You are repeating urban legends with no basis is fact.


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21 Jun 2011, 7:44 pm

Einstein was in fact cheated out of a grade because he only got a C when he deserved an A for his math work. Edison was kicked out of school.



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21 Jun 2011, 8:40 pm

I'd take the cure, because at least some of me would survive. Autism is a big part of who I am, but it's not everything.

Besides, if I got a severe brain injury, I wouldn't want to die, so how could I judge becoming NT any worse than that?

But I would fight against the cure. Given that my NT mother is a passionate social activist, that part of me probably wouldn't change, and I could use my newfound social skills to market my position well.



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21 Jun 2011, 10:11 pm

Much like Captain Kirk, I would change the conditions of the test. I do not believe in the 'no win' scenario...



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21 Jun 2011, 10:26 pm

You forgot the option of neither. I would not take the cure, but neither would I want to be killed. My personal view on death is that I will most certainly welcome it when it comes, but as rough as life has been for me, I am in no hurry to get to death. So I did not vote.



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22 Jun 2011, 11:15 am

There will never be a cure for adults with autism/AS. Never is not a word I use lightly, but the fact of the matter is that even IF you could concoct some substance that would change the neurology of a developed adult, that would still not erase the person's life experiences to that point. There might still be depression, social anxiety, or any number of other related conditions. It wouldn't change sketchy work histories, failed relationships, lack of accomplishments, lack of social experiences, lack of social networks, etc.


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22 Jun 2011, 12:03 pm

If disability rights have been rejected to the point that the government thinks it can twist your brain out of shape just because it wants to, then we've lost a whole lot of human rights. And that means you fight hard for your rights and the rights of every other autistic person out there. That's the point where risking your life makes a lot of sense.

So yeah, I'd die first, and I'd die to stop it happening to somebody else. Probably publicly, if I could, just to make a point. Giving in would mean giving in to the idea that this kind of thing is okay to do to people.


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22 Jun 2011, 12:10 pm

draelynn wrote:
Much like Captain Kirk, I would change the conditions of the test. I do not believe in the 'no win' scenario...


I like the cut of your jib 8)


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22 Jun 2011, 12:14 pm

Moog wrote:
draelynn wrote:
Much like Captain Kirk, I would change the conditions of the test. I do not believe in the 'no win' scenario...


I like the cut of your jib 8)


My jib is flattered, sir :)



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22 Jun 2011, 3:04 pm

No way will I take the cure, nor will I let them do such a thing to my unborn child. (if I do have one in the future)

I could take the cure and give in to NT 'we are god' government or I can remain defiant and refuse to do what they wish.

As someone once said: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."



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22 Jun 2011, 3:16 pm

MagicMeerkat wrote:
Well perhaps some of us would form a group of freedom fighters and fight the power.


Count me in. I'll not be killed like a slaughtered animal, I'll take a few with me.


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