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01 Feb 2005, 4:02 am

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hmmm i guess i worded my self wrong again, no one seems to understand my questions nore my comments for there have been no answers that are pliable or realistic. once again i am ignored. lol.


aspergian mutant - didn't realise your questions weren't rhetorical. except for the one about heaven, and i don't "believe" in heaven. i don't actually "believe" in anything, as i've posted somewhere or other.



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01 Feb 2005, 10:10 am

That was my point, I see no reasoning to a heaven or hell, I don't believe in them.
so I was just wondering what others who DO believe in them expect.



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01 Feb 2005, 10:05 pm

I have questioned the logic of some of the finer points of religion many times of those who believe including preachers, and they always say at last, that it is a matter of "faith", which for some reason makes them think the discussion is over and no further arguements need to be made. That is why if I had any notion to follow any religious path, it would be one that was not afraid to nor discouraged questioning of it.

Perhaps religion should just be a matter of community function, support for various needs, a set of moral guidlines, and a place to question existence as: Why are here? Where did everything come from? No religion or science has satisfactorily ever answered either question.



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02 Feb 2005, 12:34 am

Religion has nbever answered the question, but a computer has.

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02 Feb 2005, 1:59 am

So, was Douglas Adams suggesting that we play more dominoes games?



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02 Feb 2005, 8:29 am

Isn't the whole idea of Christianity that we owe God an apology for our sins? Well I think God owes me an apology first.



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02 Feb 2005, 9:51 am

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Perhaps religion should just be a matter of community function, support for various needs, a set of moral guidlines, and a place to question existence as: Why are here? Where did everything come from? No religion or science has satisfactorily ever answered either question.


I dont think there is a religion that can truly answer all of those questions.
I have studied most of them. Science is still looking for the answers and may never find them.

Asatru is close to what you are describing. It's modeled after the ancient scandinavian and germanic religion before christianity came along. It celebrates the closeness of family & friends as a community and has a set of guidelines that follow 9 virtues such as loyalty, truth and honor, etc. They dont follow set in stone teachings, but use a series of poems and "sagas" as moral lessons. It's polytheistic so there isn't a "creator"who is omnipotent and demanding that followers have to "report to". The followers look at their gods as brothers and not some deity who is punishing them or can rescue them from harm. It teaches personal responsibilty for one's own life. Asatru is based on the karmic theory that what goes around comes around and says that bad things happen, get over it and move on.



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05 Feb 2005, 6:47 pm

I am a Christian and i could not live without God. he is everything 2 me. I read the Bible and pray every night just b4 i go 2 bed. I go 2 my local Methodist Church.
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06 Feb 2005, 12:42 am

I am an atheist, but I was raised in a Christian home. I started being a skeptical believer around the age of 10 and I became a total atheist at around 14 after reading up on science and reading debates on the internet.



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10 Feb 2005, 3:17 pm

Practicing Roman Catholic. The whole filioque controversy rankles me.



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11 Feb 2005, 12:47 am

I could never be a Catholic. I had a real bad two years of experience with it and to this day I still think of it as evil because of the mean witch who ran the place I attended.



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11 Feb 2005, 10:18 pm

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I could never be a Catholic. I had a real bad two years of experience with it and to this day I still think of it as evil because of the mean witch who ran the place I attended.


a catholic witch? i doubt it. and are you using "witch" as a derogatory term? would you use "muslim" or "jew" in the same way? i think not.



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12 Feb 2005, 7:32 pm

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a catholic witch? i doubt it. and are you using "witch" as a derogatory term? would you use "muslim" or "jew" in the same way? i think not.



I hae actually known online a couple of people who claimed to be both catholic and a witch :roll:

But I agree you cannot use the term in a derogatory manner Epimonandas- so don't do it again. It is offensive.


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12 Feb 2005, 10:41 pm

I don't get it. Its not someone one here. And the way she treated me, I feel I have the right to refer to her truthfully, she was mean and cruel. She made me in seventh grade sign a behavior contract because I was out sick for 2 weeks with spinal menengitis and she simply looked for a reason to get rid of me. I don't have any love for someone that treats children so badly and they are supposed be religious and loving. I was sent their because my parents felt they would be more understanding and helpful of my needs, even though no one knew what they were, I did have some decent teachers there, and special LD related help such as reading and writing and some counseling attempts, but they still did not or were unable to determine my diagnosis. (She is to this day one of my biggest motivations and wishes to be a success so I can say nyah to her and prove to her that she was full of bull),



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13 Feb 2005, 12:29 am

Epimonandas wrote:
I don't get it. Its not someone one here. And the way she treated me, I feel I have the right to refer to her truthfully, she was mean and cruel. She made me in seventh grade sign a behavior contract because I was out sick for 2 weeks with spinal menengitis and she simply looked for a reason to get rid of me. I don't have any love for someone that treats children so badly and they are supposed be religious and loving. I was sent their because my parents felt they would be more understanding and helpful of my needs, even though no one knew what they were, I did have some decent teachers there, and special LD related help such as reading and writing and some counseling attempts, but they still did not or were unable to determine my diagnosis. (She is to this day one of my biggest motivations and wishes to be a success so I can say nyah to her and prove to her that she was full of bull),


I believe that Morgvis is a witch, and so using the term "witch" to have a swipe at somebody is therefore derogatory to her (Morgvis), the swipe and the person it is aimed at are not in and of themselves the problem ......

On the other hand, "witch" is used in common parlance in the English language as a derogatory term without any implied reference to wicka at all, so I don't see how its usage as by Epimonandas should cause anyone offence..... We start getting dangerously close to loathsome political correctness here - everything offends someone, lets face it....


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13 Feb 2005, 2:48 am

If any one religion in the world was correct, then it should be the only religion in the world. As things are now, all religions are about equally (un)likely to be true.


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