Is bullying people who are different right or wrong?

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Interesting that you define peoples "spontanous black outs" weakness. Suicide is just irrational > a littlebit caught up, aka crazy, because the desicion cannot come out of nothing. That means strength would be to differ between fantasy and reality. Did I get it right?

What the hell are you talking about?

The question refers to people who are "different" and being subjected to bullying, not those who have AS exclusively as the sole targets of bullying. How was I stating that those who experience "spontaneous blackouts" had a weakness? I was making reference to bullying as a whole in relation to those who do not fit in with the mainstream crowd.

Please, be sure to understand a post before passing comment on it, especially when that comment is flawed and without merit.

Last edited by TwistedReflection on 04 Oct 2011, 2:42 am, edited 1 time in total.

Im serious.

But maybe I got a little off topic because I was inspired by your comment: "surviving bullying has everything to do with the fortitudinal strength of the individual".
Please read my comment again, because its not without merit.

I actually just wanted to agree

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.

It's just that I cannot abide weakness in myself or anyone else, and I swore a long time ago that I would never be made to feel vulnerable ever again, no matter the circumstance or the people that I encounter.

Suicide is abhorrent to me; I respect survivors that can rise above any and all circumstances, newly endowed with the experience provided by those circumstances in order to go on living, empowered by the failed efforts of those who sought to ruin them.

I carry my scars within myself, but each scar is a testament to my survival as a human being, and we all have different scars with different stories attached to them. You survive so that you can share those stories with others so that they, too, may carry on in spite of their individual weaknesses.

It might sound a little cheesy, but it's an important philosophy of mine, and I take offense with those who critique my personal views.

Last edited by TwistedReflection on 04 Oct 2011, 2:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

I couldnt have said it better, excpet for in my own language

As I keep encountering defeats I have gotten used to the feeling, remember it from earlier situations, recognize it and know that it will slowly disappear, and that I have learned.

It is a big difference how fast I can deal with a new "darned situation" compared to earlier.

Knowing that I have this under a certain control makes me confident.

Exactly.

I'm hoping that Verdandi reads our comments so that we can reach a more agreeable concensus on this issue; I didn't mean to offend her, I just wanted to dispense some pearls of wisdom.

In my opinion, WP itself is nothing more than a collective gathering of survivors who are able to connect with others in a more vulnerable mental state, inspiring them to press forward knowing that others stronger than themselves have been baptized by fire and lived to tell the tale.

In time, they will grow as strong as us - if not stronger - better equipped to deal with life and survive it. And one day, they may return here and share their knowledge with others who struggle to persist because of the perceived "differences" they bear, and be made stronger through the experiences of one whom has already dealt with similar troubles.

Thanks for clarifying my difficulty in understanding your post, by the way, Maje. I was being extremely harsh on you and hadn't realised that english was not your first language and I'm sorry for doing so.

Of course it's wrong!

Wrong, clearly.

Although I don't really see the problem with bullying people who are full of themselves, although in reality it's no better.

Bullying is pretty natural behavior for kids. I never bullied anybody intentionally but I definitely didn't stop other people from doing that, when I was a kid. It all depends on what's the norm in your circles, and the different ones get picked on. As I grew up in geek central in the country, smart kids from family of scientists were popular, those who were from regular families were picked on. There was this girl who was from a poor family with 7 children, and never had any clothes that weren't hand-me-downs. Did she get bullied? You bet. Nobody wanted to be grouped with her, because she's "dumb". Nobody wanted to sit with her, because her clothes smelled and we were worried about head lice. It's hard to be the odd one. Although in my personal experience the bullying tend to go down once kids reach 15 or 16 and have enough maturity. It boggles my mind that it seems high school is the biggest problem over here. But then I grew up amongst geeks so maybe the priorities were different.

Of course I think bullying is wrong, but I'm not sure what can be done about that. It's mostly human nature. I was bullied by a couple of teachers in elementary school and junior high. I seriously doubt there was anything I could have done about that. It's like the other difficulties in life, you just gotta learn to deal with them. The world will never be a perfect place for anybody. For parents they can try their best to live in an area they fit in and help their kids find similar kids to be friends. Once a kid has even one friend the effect of bullying is reduced. For kids, if you have least one friend who's at least a little bit popular, stick to him/her like barnacles. It'll help with everything. If you don't have any friends, seek out another unpopular kid and make friends. It will still help a lot.

Im used to it

No problem at all

You didn't offend me. You made an generalization that clashed completely with my own experiences with depression.

Suicide is not a rational act. When one is in a suicidal state of mind, it is not a matter of strength or weakness, it is cognitive distortion. Your depression or your PTSD or your other mental health condition twists your thinking around until you start thinking that you, or everyone else, or the world in general, or all of the above is better off with you dead than alive. It is mental illness and cannot be equated to how strong your fortitude or your character or your willpower are. When you are suicidal, your willpower turns toward killing yourself. And even then getting to the point of doing it is extremely difficult. What has kept me from trying over the years wasn't willpower, but simply understanding that after every attempt I made - and each of those attempts were among the hardest things I have ever attempted - that I was grateful afterward to still be alive.



I do agree that this forum is here for support, but I usually find support from others with similar experiences - depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, for example, as opposed to those who never found themselves pushed to that point.

I do not mean to diminish the fact that you never attempted suicide because of bullying. That would be hypocritical, as I never attempted suicide because of bullying. I attempted suicide because I thought I had ruined my life and had no further chances to get back on my feet, a good ten years after the last time I had stepped foot in a high school. I am glad you never attempted suicide, but your insight into what people who do attempt it are like is not something I can relate to my own experiences.

I did not find your statement to be very helpful. Telling a suicidal person that they're suicidal because of "fortitudinal weakness" will only enforce the cognitive distortions that make suicide seem attractive in the first place. And while you did not direct that statement at anyone here, there are quite a few WP members who either are or have been suicidal, and many who have made attempts.

I won't hold myself accountable for another's thoughts of suicide unless I were callous enough to confront that other directly with my opinions, which would be morally reprehensible and is something I would be opposed to, but I do see your point.

You seem to presume that I am currently neither depressed nor suicidal; this is simply not so, as I don't believe that depression can ever be truly overcome, merely subdued. I'm constantly absorbed in thoughts of suicide, equating the nature of suicide with an existential "abort switch" of sorts that actually serves as a comfort when I begin to feel trapped or stuck in my life.

I turned thoughts of suicide into an impetus to propel me forward in life, and thus far, such thinking has served me rather well. Not only am I accustomed to the thought of suicide, it is part of me in all of my dealings, and never far from my mind. It's an almost symbiotic relationship in that respect; but of course, it has it's draw-backs.

The more I struggle with my depression, the tighter its hold over me becomes, so I've found that it's best to get it over with by roosting on my negativity until the eye of the storm approaches. That is what I deem true strength to be, but we obviously differ in opinion on that, so I shall keep my thoughts on the subject of suicide to myself in future, if only to avoid aggrieving others as I have done with you.

Well based on the current discussion I have to agree with the poster that said suicide is not a sign of weakness.....the suicidal mindset is not all that rational.....its nothing to do with strength or weakness.

How many times am I going to have to explain myself again?

No, suicide by itself is not weakness, rather it is weakness that leads to suicide.

I abhor them both and I don't care who knows it or disagrees with it.

The OP asked for opinions, and I gave mine; if you have a problem with that, then summon a moderator to deal with it. Otherwise, get the hell off of my back!