Aspies are basically NTs, but impaired?

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08 Nov 2011, 10:36 pm

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I don't understand why, if these are your views, you would be here, talking to us "lesser beings."


I am a lesser being talking among equals and I envy our NT overlords. Is that so wrong?

House-cats, if they knew of them, envy tigers considering how strong and able they are. Little girls envy women, knowing they have "maturity" and "independence" they long for but are lacking. Those less envy those who have more and such is the way of the world.


What a bunch of bull sh*t.

First, ANY metric of lesser and greater is entirely subjective and so fully bound to culture that it has no universality.

So I tell you what. You go ahead and adopt a measure of lesser that keeps you beneath the bulk of humanity. F**K THAT. You can keep it.

I prefer a meaning of value that places us all on equal footing. I don't measure a persons value based on their material wealth, their job or the number of friends they have. I know people that are rolling in money and are total ass holes. I've met people that are social giants and are totally self absorbed and as far as I'm concerned total wastes of human potential.


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08 Nov 2011, 10:53 pm

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swbluto wrote:
scmnz wrote:
I don't understand why, if these are your views, you would be here, talking to us "lesser beings."


I am a lesser being talking among equals and I envy our NT overlords. Is that so wrong?

House-cats, if they knew of them, envy tigers considering how strong and able they are. Little girls envy women, knowing they have "maturity" and "independence" they long for but are lacking. Those less envy those who have more and such is the way of the world.


What a bunch of bull sh*t.

First, ANY metric of lesser and greater is entirely subjective and so fully bound to culture that it has no universality.

So I tell you what. You go ahead and adopt a measure of lesser that keeps you beneath the bulk of humanity. F**K THAT. You can keep it.

I prefer a meaning of value that places us all on equal footing. I don't measure a persons value based on their material wealth, their job or the number of friends they have. I know people that are rolling in money and are total ass holes. I've met people that are social giants and are totally self absorbed and as far as I'm concerned total wastes of human potential.


Dude, in America, there's only two metrics that measure your worth (For guys).

How much money you have, as exhibited by status symbols.
How many HOT girls you've banged.

You can't just up and change the metric(s) just because you happen to be on the losing end. If anything, that only tells everyone else you're losing.



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08 Nov 2011, 10:57 pm

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What are you talking about? I embrace my autism fully and I personally don't think there's anything "wrong with it", but I keep looking at the way that many neurotypicals look at it and it does seem to make sense, especially when I observe these differences between myself and other NTs and aspies and other NTs.


Are you back to being on the AS side of the fence now? Bully for you!

And, as a fully accepting, and somewhat informed member of the tribe I also assume you are fully aware of the use of the word 'spectrum' and all that it entails... everybody has a little bit of autism in them and everyone also has a little bit of NT in them - everyones individual mileage may vary.

Seriously, trying to play semantics on this particular board is kinda low.


Hey, I just had a personal revelation today - 2 of them to be exact! I'll just copy and paste my journal entries:

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Shortly after opening a bunch of links related to threads about "fear of becoming schizophrenic" and "prodrome schizophrenic symptoms", I clicked on a youtube video and the author put the set of letters 'asd' into the description box. I thought...

WOAH, it's a sign! That stands for Autism Spectrum Disorder and it's god's way of telling me that I'm currently on the wrong path.


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went to the barber and got a hair cut! And, I had the rare opportunity to observe my facial expressions while I was talking and... OH, dude, my facial expressions showed the same kind of "concerned micro-facial expressions" as that guy on that autism speaks TV episode, which was interesting, because I wasn't concerned at all. I'm probably AS, then!


So, I'm pretty sure of it now.


Wow! That sounds suspiciously like a - gasp - self diagnosis.



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08 Nov 2011, 10:59 pm

draelynn wrote:
swbluto wrote:
draelynn wrote:
swbluto wrote:
What are you talking about? I embrace my autism fully and I personally don't think there's anything "wrong with it", but I keep looking at the way that many neurotypicals look at it and it does seem to make sense, especially when I observe these differences between myself and other NTs and aspies and other NTs.


Are you back to being on the AS side of the fence now? Bully for you!

And, as a fully accepting, and somewhat informed member of the tribe I also assume you are fully aware of the use of the word 'spectrum' and all that it entails... everybody has a little bit of autism in them and everyone also has a little bit of NT in them - everyones individual mileage may vary.

Seriously, trying to play semantics on this particular board is kinda low.


Hey, I just had a personal revelation today - 2 of them to be exact! I'll just copy and paste my journal entries:

Quote:
Shortly after opening a bunch of links related to threads about "fear of becoming schizophrenic" and "prodrome schizophrenic symptoms", I clicked on a youtube video and the author put the set of letters 'asd' into the description box. I thought...

WOAH, it's a sign! That stands for Autism Spectrum Disorder and it's god's way of telling me that I'm currently on the wrong path.


And

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went to the barber and got a hair cut! And, I had the rare opportunity to observe my facial expressions while I was talking and... OH, dude, my facial expressions showed the same kind of "concerned micro-facial expressions" as that guy on that autism speaks TV episode, which was interesting, because I wasn't concerned at all. I'm probably AS, then!


So, I'm pretty sure of it now.


Wow! That sounds suspiciously like a - gasp - self diagnosis.


(lol)

Is that a bad thing?

I get the feeling you're insinuating I've had a negative opinion of self-diagnoses in the past...



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08 Nov 2011, 11:34 pm

"Autistic people are just like regular people except with social, cognitive and communication impairments."

I guess I don't fully understand how this offensive.

It is called aspergers disorder, and there's autistic disorder, and autism spectrums disorder.

So there is the word disorder which is saying it is dis-ordered from some other ordered functioning, typical functioning.

There is also typical and atypical. But the atypical, would be atypical from what is typical or, "regular".

Then there is the word "impairment" but it is diagnostically an impairment.

I saw another thread about AS being different or a disability, I think. Someone said it is both a difference and a disability and that made the most sense to me. So maybe problem is that asd isn't just impairments but a difference too?

I would think it isn't just a a disability but also a difference.



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08 Nov 2011, 11:45 pm

swbluto wrote:

Dude, in America, there's only two metrics that measure your worth (For guys).

How much money you have, as exhibited by status symbols.
How many HOT girls you've banged.

You can't just up and change the metric(s) just because you happen to be on the losing end. If anything, that only tells everyone else you're losing.


Dude. I feel sorry for you if this is what you really believe. This is what YOU believe, and is no means universal, even i America. You need to get out more. There are plenty of GUYS that don't think this way. Lots of gals to.

You are truly pathetic if the sum total of meaning in your life is how many girls you've boned and how much money you have.

:roll:


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08 Nov 2011, 11:52 pm

Jediscraps wrote:
"Autistic people are just like regular people except with social, cognitive and communication impairments."

I guess I don't fully understand how this offensive.

It is called aspergers disorder, and there's autistic disorder, and autism spectrums disorder.

So there is the word disorder which is saying it is dis-ordered from some other ordered functioning, typical functioning.

There is also typical and atypical. But the atypical, would be atypical from what is typical or, "regular".

Then there is the word "impairment" but it is diagnostically an impairment.

I saw another thread about AS being different or a disability, I think. Someone said it is both a difference and a disability and that made the most sense to me. So maybe problem is that asd isn't just impairments but a difference too?

I would think it isn't just a a disability but also a difference.


I don't find it offensive, but I do find it inaccurate. An autistic person is not simply an NT with some cognitive abilities reduced (or, occasionally, enhanced). It's not that simple - it's like claiming that autistic people are socially 11 years old or whatever. It's an oversimplification and to some extent, cherry picking to come to the desired conclusions, and not an accurate description of what it is like to be autistic.



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09 Nov 2011, 12:18 am

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scmnz wrote:
I don't understand why, if these are your views, you would be here, talking to us "lesser beings."


I am a lesser being talking among equals and I envy our NT overlords. Is that so wrong?

House-cats, if they knew of them, envy tigers considering how strong and able they are. Little girls envy women, knowing they have "maturity" and "independence" they long for but are lacking. Those less envy those who have more and such is the way of the world.


I don't envy anybody.

I do metaphors very well: always have.

I have a higher IQ than most people.

I'm better off materially and psychologically than probably the majority of retirees.


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09 Nov 2011, 1:43 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
swbluto wrote:

Dude, in America, there's only two metrics that measure your worth (For guys).

How much money you have, as exhibited by status symbols.
How many HOT girls you've banged.

You can't just up and change the metric(s) just because you happen to be on the losing end. If anything, that only tells everyone else you're losing.


Dude. I feel sorry for you if this is what you really believe. This is what YOU believe, and is no means universal, even i America. You need to get out more. There are plenty of GUYS that don't think this way. Lots of gals to.

You are truly pathetic if the sum total of meaning in your life is how many girls you've boned and how much money you have.

:roll:


It was ... sarcasm. I was making fun of the shallower American values.



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09 Nov 2011, 1:44 am

We are all human. There are a lot of different ways that we can subdivide or subclassify humanity, and many of them don't make one group "greater" or "lesser" than another group. Every different language that we think in makes a different pattern of thinking, and every different culture. No individual is perfectly superior or perfectly inferior at every human task or pursuit.

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In the interests of accuracy, I take that back a little bit. Maybe the individual who is permanently unconscious or in coma would be "perfectly inferior at every human task or pursuit", but even then, he's still human, and entitled to be cared for by other humans as best they can until he dies. Humans have always behaved in that way. They have skeletons of early men which show traces of healed broken bones that could not have been healed without a lot of help from his friends.


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