Are people with autism borderline sociopaths?

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For some reason the psychiatric community decided to invent it's own meanings for words. It's called jargon. This is the root of the confusion.

As a general rule, any time you ask if autism and [undesirable condition] are related on this forum, you'll get all kinds of posters showing you how they are somehow, in fact, diametric opposites.



Don't believe them. They are either lying or simply wrong.

So prove it. You like to make vague allusions to people not understanding the "true nature" of autism," or say that people are wrong about using actual existing research and clinical definitions to distinguish things like sociopathy (which I don't think is even currently in clinical use) and autism because "they are lying or simply wrong." But you rarely seem to have much in the way of facts, at least facts you're willing to share.

That is actually a good point, and TBH I'd like to be a sociopath, it'd be fun.

As good old Dr House Says, "Everybody Lies" XD

We have absolutely no reason to believe you, plus people with Aspergers are naturally more honest, so lying is not likely. Also if I need to I could bring up several references to support psychopathy being opposite to autism is regards to empathy.

My counselor told me that people on the autism spectrum tend to be more ethical. I forget how he said it now that i am trying to quote. He told me he was not saying that non-autistics are not ethical or that all autistics are ethical. He told me it is probably from love of consistency.
I think thats partly true because i have a really hard time dealing with reading peoples political/economic/social ideas because it is nott consistent with applying the claimed ideals and values to everyone without bias.
It seems so obvious to have higher principles and values and then to apply to all equally. And it is very hard for me to handle inconsistency with what people say and their justifications not go to tge logical conclusions of their stated values. I fixate on principles and ethics all the time.

I often have too much empathy, yet in my family, especially on my dad's side, showing emotions was seen as a weakness, so I learned to hide it. It has backfired in the end because I've been accused of lacking empathy because I couldn't allow myself to get emotional.

Yes, yes they do. Aspies included. I don't get why everyone in this thread is getting all up on their moral high horses, I doubt they're all perfect. Which is fine, of course - no one is perfect. It's just annoying seeing Aspies pretending they are.

Where are we saying we are perfect? We are just saying we aren't psychopaths, because we aren't. Life would be so much easier if I was.

No.

You're all claiming that all Aspies are super-honest and super-empathetic, which I doubt. Everyone lies on a daily basis, even if it's just a small white lie, for example.

It just strikes me as odd that you're all being so defensive and going "NOPE! THAT'S THE OPPOSITE TO WHAT I DO!"

Ironically, maybe I'm just the only one being honest enough to say that there are a few similarities in some people with Asperger's and some people who are considered sociopaths.

I don't think it is that they are saying they are all morally perfect. Being compared to a sociopath is saying you don't have, or severly lack, conscience, remorse, morals, things of that nature.

To take issue with that is not getting on a moral high horse but saying one does have morals. How else can one take issue with that?

The irony is a group being accused of being close to something that is immoral, and then when these people say they are moral, they are then getting on their moral high horse.

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Some aspie men women I know seem to be over the borderline

must be repressed frustrated rage, like excessive liver yang

Ok, I guess saying that Aspies and Sociopaths are opposites is being a bit defensive/arrogant, but I was merely summing up pretty much everything I've read on autism and empathy and sociopathy and empathy, and made the opposite conjecture on my own. However autism and sociopathy are still completey different, just look at the statistics. Also you cannot deny that, even if aspies lie just like everyone else that they are still less likely to make white lies than other people.

I would hardly call myself a sociopath or anything, but as I said before, I do believe I have significantly less empathy than many NTs, and I also lie just as much as NTs, and I manipulate people for fun (because, well, it's fun, and it gets you stuff you want). I am particularly proud of the latter because it means I've developed my social skills well enough to do that.

And I am officially diagnosed with Asperger's.

So, what you are saying may be true for you personally - I can hardly argue against that - but I don't think it's true for all Aspies.