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19 Feb 2012, 7:08 pm

I don't think I could hang out with other Aspies in person (I very much enjoy 'hanging' online, though), because if you all are anything like me, you'll drive me insane. :lol:

Seriously, though, if I hung out with myself, I'd be so annoyed. My NT boyfriend keeps me level. :D


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19 Feb 2012, 7:09 pm

readingbetweenlines wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
IMHO, the aspies i've seen [so far] remind me [by and large] of hyper-logical fastidious long-tailed cats, hypervigilant of rocking chairs, that are reluctant to play nice with one another, who live in their own worlds of idiosyncratic rationality which are defended with high impregnable walls [of inpenetrably argumentative verbiage] and broad alligator-filled moats [of pedantic prosaic invective] to keep never-to-be-trusted outsiders safely outside. just my opinion here. Image


Hear, hear. Nicely put.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, that. (To answer the OP's question "Why don't we stick together?")

It's like trying to mix oil and water. Shake as hard as you want, eventually we all end up separate once everything settles down.


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19 Feb 2012, 7:38 pm

MrXxx wrote:
readingbetweenlines wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
IMHO, the aspies i've seen [so far] remind me [by and large] of hyper-logical fastidious long-tailed cats, hypervigilant of rocking chairs, that are reluctant to play nice with one another, who live in their own worlds of idiosyncratic rationality which are defended with high impregnable walls [of inpenetrably argumentative verbiage] and broad alligator-filled moats [of pedantic prosaic invective] to keep never-to-be-trusted outsiders safely outside. just my opinion here. Image


Hear, hear. Nicely put.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah, that. (To answer the OP's question "Why don't we stick together?") It's like trying to mix oil and water. Shake as hard as you want, eventually we all end up separate once everything settles down.

i'm more than willing to break bread with others that are not similar to me, and i know there must be a statistically signifigant number of others here who feel the same way. :idea:



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19 Feb 2012, 7:55 pm

I think Aspies do stick together. It's just that for it to occur something LITERALLY has to happen.

IF nothing tangible happens to disrupt an Autistics routine, as it can relate to them, it's all good and Aspies will do their own thing.

I noticed the group think and solidarity is phenomenal when an Aspies is treated unjustifiable AND it's publicized.

Under DSM-V, let enough Aspies get undiagnosed and those checks get cancelled; you will see what i mean.

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20 Feb 2012, 1:16 am

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I think aspies generally tend towards independence, lone wolf types. Aspies don't form cohesive social flocks so well as the NTs.

That is no slight on either neurotype, just an observation/opinion.

Aspies being around other aspies doesn't make social difficulties and communication mismatches go away.


Why is that? Maybe its because people on the spectrum aren't accepted by the majority population.....that tends to have its own effect. How many more NTs are there to an aspie kid?

I don't think most people on here want to be lone wolf. I think most people really do want to be part of social circles, but various factors make that inherently more difficult than the average person.

If it was as simple as what I wanted, it would be easy: I would have 4 or 5 really good friends and a girlfriend, and I wouldn't be lonely. But I think I kind of have to accept somewhat being a lone-wolf, because at 24 some things were just meant to happen already. They didn't, and now that is having effects on me.



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20 Feb 2012, 2:19 am

Because asocial means exactly that?



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20 Feb 2012, 3:40 am

The last statistics I saw on aspie occurrences vs the rest of the population is a factor of 1:1000, thus it's a world tailored to NTs..
Maybe with the exception for technology :twisted:

My experience from aspies meeting in IRL is that then interaction is "natural", go figure.. :idea:



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20 Feb 2012, 11:56 am

I think this forum is the best example of us "sticking together". I am afraid that several of us together in any unified situation, might be just too hard to keep in good working order. I've met many fellow Aspies who are perfectly fun to be around, and so forth, but the awkwardness is doubled. In one case, I wanted desperately to have an Aspie friend realize it might be time for him to go home, and being polite, I couldn't suggest it, so I had to wait it out. Finally my wife stepped in and suggested it in a way that didn't offend anyone. That's just one example of why I have hesitation in maintaining two-way, in-person Aspie friendships. At least with one Aspie +1 or more NTs, it seems a bit easier to keep things on track.

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20 Feb 2012, 12:16 pm

auntblabby wrote:
i'm more than willing to break bread with others that are not similar to me, and i know there must be a statistically signifigant number of others here who feel the same way. :idea:


Me too. Seems to work well most of the time for short periods, as long as the level of discourse doesn't get too deep. Quite another matter to get along well enough to agree on many of the deeper issues facing the Autism community.

I could see a "brotherhood" something along the lines of a Friar's Club, or Toastmasters. Something where the focus isn't much deeper than socializing. 8O

I cannot envision an organization whose mission it is to "enlighten the world" about Autism. There are just too many deep rifts between certain philosophies about what Autism is, how we and society should deal with it, etc.

The only way I can envision something like this working is if the organization has a set of core values that are extremely "middle ground" in nature. I think in order to do that, certain "hot button" issues would by necessity have to be avoided altogether. In other words, the organization's official position would be no position.

I suppose with a lot of time, effort, and help from those few of us who actually have some level of organizational skills on a human level, that may be accomplished, but I can also see a set of values and non-positions on issues that would mean the group would end up as a fairly benign entity. Which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. Groups like that have their uses too.


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20 Feb 2012, 2:27 pm

I do like the idea but realistically beyond the internet that comes into the very nature of aspergers syndrome. When were talking sticking with aspies in person that might be a bit difficult. Aspies often have a more antisocial nature or dont know what to do in social situations to form bonds with other people. Who says that if you placed another aspie in a room, they would be more likely to bond?



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20 Feb 2012, 3:46 pm

there were no others. Even though I didn't know what I had or that it was autism, I didn't know anyone that was like me that way.



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20 Feb 2012, 4:25 pm

kx250rider wrote:
I think this forum is the best example of us "sticking together". I am afraid that several of us together in any unified situation, might be just too hard to keep in good working order. [...]

Charles


I think that's spot on, and I hope you don't mind an NT saying that.

This forum is amazing, when you look at it closely. Yes there are always niggles but really it is such a good place.

I appreciate that it mainly educates those that are already looking for information about ASDs rather than punting messages out into the world at large. So it's more of a "slow burn" than a pressure group. But the slow burn WP does very well.

I have to wonder though whether those with ASDs who post here are those who want to communicate, and feel able to. I wonder about those who don't and can't. I'm kind of scared for them, if that makes any sense.


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21 Feb 2012, 12:16 am

readingbetweenlines wrote:
I have to wonder though whether those with ASDs who post here are those who want to communicate, and feel able to. I wonder about those who don't and can't. I'm kind of scared for them, if that makes any sense.

that makes an :idea: go off in my head! :) i will now make a thread/poll about how many people on this site are lurking versus participating.



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22 Feb 2012, 1:14 am

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We should form an "ASPIE BROTHERHOOD" or something. We all have something in common and I am sure we do not fit in well with the typical American conformist society. We need to stick together, share our experiences with eachother and help fellow Aspies out in different areas(One Aspie may be good in this, the other is good at that). Learn from eachother! Before it is too late.


The most highly systemized, dysfunctional, antisocial awareness unity group ever to almost be assembled!



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22 Feb 2012, 1:32 am

I often want to ask people questions I often get irritated because most of the time people are just blowing smoke. I was thinking today of making a post specifically geared towards design and planning. Its invaluable to have someone with a interest in something answer questions rather than just a passing understanding.

But as far as an organization. Well, we all have different goals, we all have different likes and dislikes/needs, and it may be difficult to form a common bond of brother/sisterhood between us due to our inability to work as a team.



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22 Feb 2012, 8:36 am

We'd be the "Antisocial Society"

Could work :lol: