Article about a HORRIBLE autism "treatment" - MMS

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Heheh, I might try to correct them. I need to test more to verify for myself that it works, before I can call my self a proponent (first time I used that word, hurraayy!)
But I don't think those websites claims MMS not to be "A bleach", they claim it not to be"BLEACH", as in household bleach (Sodium hypochlorite), and that is correct. Though I haven't looked that much into that detail, since I know that the world is full of ignorant people who don't get their facts right, before they start arguing for one thing or another, so I just ignore a lot.
If it is a miracle cure, there is really no point in lying about it being a bleach or not. I want us all to get the facts straight.

But I disagree with you calling it snake oil just because it isn't independently verified to work. In that case, all medicine of all time has been "snake oil" to begin with. I think snake oil is a term used on stuff that doesn't work

It's also being used as an alternative cancer treatment:

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Chl ... oxide.html

Interestingly, it says:

So it doesn't sound as bad as the headlines suggest, if it's so easy to neutralise?

That's actually part of the problem--your body does try to neutralize it. Your stomach pH suddenly goes up, your body has to pump more acid in there, which makes your pH go up--a condition known as akalosis, which can be anywhere from a useful symptom to a medical emergency. Most of the time your body compensates by changing your breathing rate, but if it can't compensate, watch out.

Yes, I'd mentioned that already--it's used to treat drinking water. In fact, you can use regular chlorine bleach for that purpose, and safely, though the water will taste nasty.

Water Purification in emergencies
1/8th to 1/4th teaspoon per gallon, apparently, is quite safe--a good deal safer than drinking bacteria soup, anyway.

This doesn't mean that bleach does a thing for autism, nor that it's safe. Higher concentrations are anywhere from irritating to poisonous. Too much will cause damage to the digestive system, and don't forget that bleach is highly alkaline and will force your body to put stomach acid production into overdrive, which means less acid in the rest of your body, which affects your lungs and kidneys.

Hopefully, most of the kids being forced to ingest this stuff are being given only a small amount, enough that it is little more than a bad-tasting placebo; but the time taken away from the chance to be a child and to learn useful things, and the implication that they are damaged and must be repaired, will still hurt them even if this "treatment" does no direct harm.

...also used in breath fresheners (at least a stabilised version):

http://www.frontierpharm.com/stabilized ... ioxide.php

And according to this, it's an alternative to antibiotics and other things:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02kvmmDLw7c[/youtube]

And the comments below are worth reading.

I just recently was reading about bleach baths. I recently started trying to mostly go simpler and more chemical free in my hygiene products and ran across that when trying to see if it was better for my bath to be more alkaline or acidic.

I wouldn't want to use that. At this point my main simple hygiene supplies consist of baking soda, apple cider vinegar, honey, and olive oil.

Oh I have no issue with it being "a bleach", or that certain uses for it are FDA-approved (it says as much in that Wiki page and Callista has seen it in use too) - there are many substances which are highly dangerous in one presentation or application and beneficial in others.

What I do have an issue with is someone providing a product, claiming it as a "cure" for a wide range of entirely unrelated issues, which does not have FDA approval, which uses a clearly hazardous substance, which has some astonishing claims made for it, and which has not been subjected to clinical trials to demonstrate, let alone verify, that any of it is true.

By definition, "alternative medicine" has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work.
You know what they call "alternative medicine" that’s been proved to work?
Medicine.
(lifted from "Storm", by Tim Minchin)

http://www.vitalitylink.com/blog/holist ... -medicine/

The bold parts are pretty interesting...

Well, I find it pretty scary that a lot of the medical treatments people are using are not based on science. If the people selling quackery could prove their cure-alls worked, they'd have a proper study on it and prove it, instead of making ridiculous claims and cheating people out of their hard-earned money.

Most of them probably really believe their remedies work. Some of them may have marginal value. A few gems out there may actually be worthwhile to incorporate into mainstream medicine. A lot of it is just placebo, though, and worse.

The term "mainstream" might be best avoided here, perhaps "routine"?

Chriopractics, which I myself have used in the past, does relieve discomfort. I've met several practioners, and I avoid the ones who actually make the claims that give Chiropractors a bad name. I don't think that deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as some of the claims mentioned above.

Aujawindur

First of all, I would like to comment how suspicious it is that these people can quote all of these things that the KNOW cause Autism, especially when scientists are still working on figuring out the causes. I also don’t see anything mentioned about genetics. Without looking at evidence from reliable scientific sources pointing to these causes, I am forced to believe that they atre putting out a grocery list to cover their asses.

Second, I have no doubt that MMS kills pathogens. So does Windex but I still wouldn’t recommend drinking it.

Now, if it seems to have potential, I agree that this treatment should be examined scientifically but until I see it approved by scientists as a safe treatment, I will treat it like the threat it probably is (even if it is helpful at a certain dose, just finding the point where it doesn’t make you puke is not a good way to judge what that is).

Keep in mind that we consider using things that are toxic in high doses or in their natural form for medical use all the time. For example, we are looking for painkillers, blood thinners and diabetes treatments in the venom of cone snails, rattlesnakes and Gila monsters respectively. If elements within these substances can prove medically useful, I could see their being a possibility for even MMS. But, like these naturally made possible medical treatments, if this stuff is used without proper studies, it will probably do more damage than good.

If you’re going to treat yourself for Asperger’s Syndrome, I would recommend asking your doctor about a tested and approved drug. If you choose to continue anyway, that is your choice. If you end up being rushed to the hospital for neurological issues, low blood pressure or difficulty breathing, please don’t forget to mention your treatment to the doctor, that is, if you aren’t in a coma and still have enough verbal control to speak.

Now, you mentioned that you have no idea what Autism is. If you did, you would probably understand better why we are so upset. Autistic children, especially Low functioning ones, are totally reliant on the people taking care of them. With some cases, they can’t even speak. So, when the people they trust more than anyone else in the world come in, force them to drink and bathe in this stuff and suffer horrible pain because of it, it is very likely to do more damage than good. These people can’t vocalize the horrible pain that they’re in. On top of that they come to associate the people who they depend on with this pain and sickness. Furthermore, they become stressed and will be more prone to their breakdowns, which for some can be dangerous. Then, there are of course, the dangers of taking a medicine with insufficient scientific studies.

Those are my thoughts exactly.

This is just disgusting and wrong. Parents, just accept and support your kid's neurology and love your kid for who they are. Stop seeing them as mistakes.

We don't suffer "horrible pain" from taking this in the recommended doses. But I see you point about how it is wrong to give it to a defenceless child, before it has been tested. I agreee, that shouldn't be done. The problem is of course that MMS has this conspiracy theory hanging over it, that the governments and medicine industry fights against it, so people take it even though it is highly adviced against from doctors etc.

Now, I know I will not get in a coma or get breathing trouble from taking MMS, as I have taken it numerous times before. Also, there is no reports of anyone getting any kind of effects like that. And I am not interested in some medicine my doctor would give me.

The thing about MMS that is so appealing for me is how it is so simple, and gets turned into salt and oxygen in the body, actually DETOXING the body, instead of accumulating in the liver etc. like most other drugs/medicine. But most of all, I am interested in MMS a try BECAUSE it is alternative. Call me stupid, but I like to try stuff that isn't mainstream. If the doctors recommended MMS, I probably wouldn't have been so interested. I feel that I have a responsibility to do experimenting and research on stuff that the mainstream newspaper and science doesn't, so that when I stumble across information that people should know about, I can be here to tell about it

I will start my thoroughout testing of MMS in one week, as I am away from home and not with my medicine/snake-oil cabinet.

My question is: Why hasn't Jim Humble been arrested?

Has it not occurred that the use of MMS might be opposed because it is an untested, uncontrolled product using a dangerous substance, which despite having no scientific backing is promoted as a magical wonder-cure? There is no reason to invoke a conspiracy theory bogeyman.
I thought the fairground sideshow approach to magic potions had died out, but it seems P.T. Barnum lives on yet.

No amount of "detoxing" will cure someone of HIV or cancer, as has been claimed for MMS - let alone Autism.

How do you intend eliminating any chance of accidentally biasing your own findings by being an entirely subjective experiment on one person - yourself?
At best you will simply confirm the placebo effect.

Not a good thing. Oxygen is very reactive. The very best you can hope for is some free radical damage (which is why people eat fruits and vegetables for anti-oxidants). Slow corrosion and increased alkalinity (as Callista warned) is likely with continued use. Just because it doesn't instantly kill you doesn't mean it makes you stronger.

edited to quote a bit of the debunk link that Verdandi linked below:

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