Ask youself why you really want a CURE?

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08 Aug 2013, 12:29 pm

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The moral of this story is. You only want a cure because you are a minority and you want to "fit in".


Yes, that is exactly me. Whatever the majority is, I want to be a part of it. I don't like standing out.

So let's just say the majority were Aspies. I know people would argue that Autism is a wide spectrum and everything, but just use your imaginations on this (if you can). Just imagine that it is very common and normal for people to be hypersensitive to certain sounds, be able to fixate on their own special interest with a narrow subject, can communicate to a fair amount enough to still make the world go round but can be introverted or anxious in certain environments (so those environments become uncommon though still exist), flap their hands and rock backwards and forwards, have meltdowns/outbursts if something upsets or disturbs them, and have issues with things like eye contact. Just imagine the majority like that.
And if I happened to be born into a life of being able to filter out background noise, have only casual interests that aren't intense enough to feel the need to talk non-stop about, can communicate well without no anxiety or uncertainty getting in my way, never flap my hands or rock backwards and forwards (I don't anyway, but just saying), can handle difficult situations at more of a balanced level without the need to have to express it by lashing out/tantruming or whatever, and have a better ability to look at people without feeling anxious - I bet I wouldn't want to be all that. I would want to be like all my family and friends.

I hate having sensitive ears and social anxiety issues and all the rest of the Aspie symptoms I have, but if AS was in the majority, I would still give anything to have all of that, just for the sake of not living a life where I stand out, or if I'm not standing out, feel isolated in some other way.

There, I hope that has explained things for you about why I would like a cure. :)


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08 Aug 2013, 3:06 pm

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What if the tables where flipped? What if everyone was born with AS and 1 in 100 was born NT. What do you think all those NT people would want? A cure?. I can imagine all those (Now minority) NT people saying. "I wish there was a cure for NT. All I want to do is party, talk to other people. I mean. It like I need to be in a noisy room with lots of people around. How can those AS people stand to be in those quiet rooms working on there project for hours on end abd talk to each other like robots( if they ever talk.) I mean being NT. I just lack the intellectual discipline those AS people have.". Just thought I'd put it in a different perspective.

The moral of this story is. You only want a cure because you are a minority and you want to "fit in". There is nothing wrong with you. You're not broken, You're not defective, You're not sick, You're just different. Wanting a cure is nothing more then a women wanting to wear make-up.


You are correct. I want a cure because I am a minority and want to fit in.

In societal terms, "abnormal, sick, broken, and defective" are statistically defined. "Different," in most society, is a polite euphemism for "abnormal, sick, broken, and defective." "Different" is something that is said, generally, with a curled lip and wrinkled nose.

I want to be, de facto, as good as everyone else. Which means being as good as everyone else, not by any objective or concrete or moral measure, but being as good as everyone else in everyone else's eyes. Which means functioning and thinking and feeling and reacting like everyone else, to the same things, for the same reasons.

Yes. I want a cure because I am a minority and I want to fit in. Preferably without being terrified, stressed to the max, and utterly exhausted by the effort.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:10 pm

I'd like to know what it's like to be NT because I really can't imagine it.

Is it so different for them as it is for us?

They must have their own set of challenges just like us, after all they're only human.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:21 pm

I accept that I have to work hard to do the things that I suck at compared to others, so I am not looking for cure to change what I already accepted that I have to do in life, because I don't want to change myself so drastically, and I am generally fine with how I am, but I can always increase skill in certain areas over time, it's not like I am satisfied with stagnating at current level in certain skills.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:31 pm

I always like to look at things from a different perspective and I think it would be interesting to look at the world from the NT perspective. I'd be so excited to see this if I could.

It would be like the trip of a life time.


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08 Aug 2013, 3:38 pm

Being an Aspie who doesn't lack social imagination are probably the ones who pine more to be NT. I'm like that. I can imagine too well what being NT is like, I even know what it's like when I think hard enough, but when it comes down to actually being an NT and not Aspie, it's that hard! I don't know why.


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08 Aug 2013, 5:31 pm

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There is a cure, but it's not simple and it's not a little pill or a magic formula.

It's learning to adapt.


Going by your bizarre logic, a blind person who has adapted to their disability is cured because they've adapted. Yet, they're still blind and they still have the disease which caused them to be blind.

Makes no sense at all.



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08 Aug 2013, 9:03 pm

Why wouldn't anybody on the spectrum NOT want a cure? No offense but this is kind of ignorant. I don't think anybody ENJOYS being in our position..I get so pissed when my parents who don't have AS tell me to look at it as a blessing.. It is indeed a curse and that's real.

On the bright side, I do believe in reincarnation, so due to all the suffering that this life has brought me, my next life will be pretty good I'm sure.



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08 Aug 2013, 9:13 pm

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I once had the chance to beat up a high school bully, I had him cornered and that was the moment I saw the fear in his eyes, which caused me to being unable to proceed, and I walked away, now is that sympathy or empathy?


As I said, I can only speak for myself. I always had a strong sense of social justice. However, over the years, I taught myself to "look" like I cared about individuals. Actually, I couldn't care less.

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Empathy is said to register trough mirror neurons which cause a "how would I feel in that situation" reaction, and I think that this feeling could be so intense that we sometimes rather experience it as a shock like state, which almost paralyzes you and stops you from reacting, rather than not at all experiencing empathy.


I think that is sympathy (a rational exploration of "how would I feel?"). To me, empathy is feeling it.


Interesting. I was diagnosed by one psychiatrist with ASD and another wasn't sure. I can certainly say I feel something when watching a sad movie, happy when watching a happy one, sad for a family member, which I would assume is empathy as you defined. But yes, I have far less of it then the average person. Sympathy, on the other hand, I am about normal.

Thank you for sharing this distinction.



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08 Aug 2013, 9:42 pm

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Why wouldn't anybody on the spectrum NOT want a cure? No offense but this is kind of ignorant. I don't think anybody ENJOYS being in our position..I get so pissed when my parents who don't have AS tell me to look at it as a blessing.. It is indeed a curse and that's real.


Do not tell me how I feel.

If you want to be different than you are, you want to be different. But you have absolutely no right to insult me and call me ignorant because I feel differently than you.

No. I do not want to be cured. Yes, I struggle. Yes, I am disabled. Yes, I'm hurt by people because of who I am.

I'm not just "a little different". But, even if I am struggling and need help, and don't know what to do, I've made a difference to people, because of who I am. Even if I can't remember being out of sensory overload, I can be happy with who I am, enjoy my life, enjoy who I am. I can not want to not have to relearn every last bit of how to live, because things are so deeply entangled into me that I'd need to relearn how to live if you pulled them out. I can be proud of the things I do, and the changes I make, and the things I say. I can be happy.

And I can be autistic and not want to be elsewise.

And you should not try to make statements about me being ignorant for being this way.

Say what you want to about yourself.

Do not say things about others as a whole. Because we can have our own feelings.



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08 Aug 2013, 9:58 pm

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Interesting. I was diagnosed by one psychiatrist with ASD and another wasn't sure. I can certainly say I feel something when watching a sad movie, happy when watching a happy one, sad for a family member, which I would assume is empathy as you defined. But yes, I have far less of it then the average person. Sympathy, on the other hand, I am about normal.


You're welcome. Of course, I am only sharing my own understandings.


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08 Aug 2013, 10:10 pm

I can't find a woman who will love me for who I am. And friendship hasn't happened in a long time. It's the Aspergers. I want to be cured because I don't want to be lonely anymore.



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08 Aug 2013, 10:40 pm

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lost561 wrote:
Why wouldn't anybody on the spectrum NOT want a cure? No offense but this is kind of ignorant. I don't think anybody ENJOYS being in our position..I get so pissed when my parents who don't have AS tell me to look at it as a blessing.. It is indeed a curse and that's real.


Do not tell me how I feel.

If you want to be different than you are, you want to be different. But you have absolutely no right to insult me and call me ignorant because I feel differently than you.

No. I do not want to be cured. Yes, I struggle. Yes, I am disabled. Yes, I'm hurt by people because of who I am.

I'm not just "a little different". But, even if I am struggling and need help, and don't know what to do, I've made a difference to people, because of who I am. Even if I can't remember being out of sensory overload, I can be happy with who I am, enjoy my life, enjoy who I am. I can not want to not have to relearn every last bit of how to live, because things are so deeply entangled into me that I'd need to relearn how to live if you pulled them out. I can be proud of the things I do, and the changes I make, and the things I say. I can be happy.

And I can be autistic and not want to be elsewise.

And you should not try to make statements about me being ignorant for being this way.

Say what you want to about yourself.

Do not say things about others as a whole. Because we can have our own feelings.


First of all I never told you how you felt. I've never heard of anyone other than the op who would want to keep their autism...and I don't get you people who do.

in the perfect world ill make sure that your still autistic and not "cured" while I live my normal life being completely oblivious what you have to go through.

I want to hear more people take your position/ side.



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08 Aug 2013, 10:55 pm

I don't want to be cured.

I don't feel need to be like most people.


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09 Aug 2013, 5:30 am

What would this cure do? It would most certainly change your personality and maybe a few other bits you don't want / need changing.



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09 Aug 2013, 7:36 am

Okay... What if there will not a total "cure", but a partial "cure"?.
One that would give you the ability of intuitive Theory of Mind, or improve your sensory issues, or make you able to control your anxiety of fear (not the way present meds do it).
What are your opinion about it?