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andrewlavigne
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06 Nov 2013, 7:19 pm
andrewlavigne
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06 Nov 2013, 7:21 pm
Verdandi
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06 Nov 2013, 7:23 pm
Tuttle wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Cats are not as smart as dogs. Here is an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6479QAJuz8
For what it's worth, this video makes your point that cats are more independent. Hats off to border collies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6479QAJuz8
For what it's worth, this video makes your point that cats are more independent. Hats off to border collies.
So we judge dogs and cats by how many human words they learn? Fascinating.
Don't you know, speech and the ability to communicate understandably with those who specifically are using speech to communicate is entirely what intelligence is based on, nothing else
</sarcasm>Yeah, I kinda noticed. So many of these measures of animal cognition seem to be based on how closely they can relate to or be like humans. Like the self-awareness test. I mean, seriously? "We'll test animal self-awareness based on how closely their reaction resembles a human reaction to the same situation, and we'll continue to use that test even with animals who do not primarily rely on vision." The problem being that the actual premise and theory is flawed.
06 Nov 2013, 8:46 pm
06 Nov 2013, 8:53 pm
pensieve wrote:
Seriously? Why do people have to try and prove which animal is more intelligent? Both animals are intelligent in their own ways.
My cat is very social and although I have a lot of pride I don't think that's why I fail socially.
I like learning and sharing information I know but I also like generating new ideas from what I hear. And it all breaks down when people 1) refuse to listen, 2) have a different opinion or 3) are completely impossible to relate to even though they think they are.
I'm always destined to fail socially.
I always must argue. Always.
I have another cat that is an absolute anxious nut. Just like her mama.
My cat is very social and although I have a lot of pride I don't think that's why I fail socially.
I like learning and sharing information I know but I also like generating new ideas from what I hear. And it all breaks down when people 1) refuse to listen, 2) have a different opinion or 3) are completely impossible to relate to even though they think they are.
I'm always destined to fail socially.
I always must argue. Always.
I have another cat that is an absolute anxious nut. Just like her mama.
agree pigeons can do things that a human could never do (I "own" a dove a close relative to it and am
by the claims they are "stupid". Does it matter? if we apply that logic we would be testing on retarted babies and not animals 
06 Nov 2013, 8:54 pm
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
06 Nov 2013, 8:55 pm
smudge wrote:
^ Chill out.
I agree your still on my list Smudgie don't go ruining it
06 Nov 2013, 9:09 pm
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
I wasn't telling him what to think, I was telling him not to tell me what I thought. I know the difference is subtle, but think very very hard and you'll get it.
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06 Nov 2013, 9:10 pm
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
"height of arrogance" to describe an act, not a feeling.
06 Nov 2013, 9:11 pm
Who_Am_I wrote:
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
I wasn't telling him what to think, I was telling him not to tell me what I thought. I know the difference is subtle, but think very very hard and you'll get it.
I don't have a college certificate so no I wont be able to
06 Nov 2013, 9:12 pm
Verdandi wrote:
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
"height of arrogance" to describe an act, not a feeling.
so you agree with me
06 Nov 2013, 9:33 pm
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
I wasn't telling him what to think, I was telling him not to tell me what I thought. I know the difference is subtle, but think very very hard and you'll get it.
I don't have a college certificate so no I wont be able to
I thought you spoke English.
If you don't like chocolate, and I tell you that you like chocolate, and I keep insisting that you do even when you say no, I am being rude.
You would not be being rude for being annoyed at my insistence that I know you better than you know yourself.
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06 Nov 2013, 10:03 pm
aussiebloke wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
aussiebloke wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
qawer wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Don't tell me what matters to me.
You feel that way, because of your integrity/pride - neurotypicals on the other hand (often) love to be told what should matter to them through their social surroundings!
Telling other people what they feel is the height of arrogance. You don't get to determine my thoughts or feelings, sweetheart.
irony escapes you ?
"height of arrogance" to describe an act, not a feeling.
so you agree with me
No. There's nothing iornic about what Who_Am_I posted.
06 Nov 2013, 10:09 pm
nicely put.
I speak English and French as I was scared ^&*Less after the rubbish Dr here would not put me on the pension I ended up their (Switzerland ) during my breakdown, the Dr their was very 
by my grasp of the French language , so clearly foreign language skills does not = intelligence.
PS yes I got on the pension their though after my family through me out for being a pathetic loser I also got it when I came back can't be a loser for ever (thank god for meds eve though it will be part time still a least I wont be a burden to the long suffering tax payer )
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