Aspergers Motivational Theory

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You do that because you subconsciously know, that if you were not independent, you would have to rely on others, making you their "slave" (i.e. you would have to put up with mal-treatment for getting help). This would limit the actions you were allowed to take, making "solo-hunting" impossible for you. Since you subconsciously think that you will die if you cannot solo-hunt, becoming too dependent would mean death.


We prize our independence because that is what gives us confidence that we have a chance to survive! (Just as group-belonging does for NTs. It is frightening to see just how far NTs will go to remain a part of the group - despite very bad bullying from their peers. They subconsciously think that the only way for them to survive is by being accepted as a group member; just as we think the only way for us to survive is by not becoming too dependent).

I am sorry for your situation Sue866.

It is definitely your AS-brain telling you that you risk dying if you become too dependent.

What you have to realize is that you will not face any punishment (bullying) from the government, so you can keep your head high.

Can you please call it servitude instead of slavery. There is a difference between being dependant upon others, and shackles, chains, and a cat of nine tails.

Agreed, I just did not find the right word, I meant servitude. It is just that to me it can feel like slavery.

Qawer - I have been thinking a lot about my core beliefs. And, I know that individuality is one of those. And, I believe it has to do with the fact that I don't really trust others. I am not altogether clear why. I wonder if this is something I was born with or something I learned early on.

1. Stereotyping neurotypical individuals when clearly you would hate to be stereotyped (based on having AS) yourself is very audacious. 'The only way for NTs to survive is by having a group to hunt with.' Really? Why? How do you know if you aren't NT? It seems to me that you're implying that NTs lack a proper ability to think for themselves.. being that having a large convoluted brain capable of intellectual thought is the main advantage to being human.

2. You're claiming that anyone with AS has far superior survival skills (in completely irrelevant contexts) as an individual in comparison to any NT. How could you possibly imagine that an 'NT brain' is any less motivated by not being enslaved by someone else? What makes a person with AS more capable of solo hunting than an NT and why would motivation be linked to this? Why are you grouping individuals in this way?

3. Independent from others in what way? Why would independence be more important for a person with AS than a person without AS?



If individuals with AS were 'meant to hunt alone at night', how do those with hyposensitivity to sensory stimuli fit in to the theory? How would a 'superior' sense of taste be beneficial? How would auditory/visual hypersensitivity allow an individual with AS to sleep during the day? Why would any meltdown/shutdown resulting from tactile dysfunction aid in 'solo-hunting'?



If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say that it's far more likely that individuals with AS 'do not like to' people-please due to alexithymia & related issues with empathy. Claiming that it is because it implies you are 'lower' than others is analogous to a person who thinks they ate a chocolate bar because children in Africa don't have food, when really they did it primarily because of their hunger and desire for tasty food - it is taking a delusional moral high-ground. You split individuals into two groups, and so you're implying with that statement that neurotypical individuals are content with being 'lower' than those that they please, which is very strange.



None of this makes sense and is purely based off of assumptions. Relying on others does not make you their 'slave'. You somewhat likened individuals with AS to jaguars in an earlier post, and I think that's beyond ridiculous. Jaguars by nature have far more effective predatory skills/tools (they are fast, have claws, are incredibly strong etc), but most importantly of all they have those from a very young age. Human children are essentially useless ESPECIALLY in terms of hunting until they're of a far greater age. An individual with AS (if the syndrome existed back then) would have been incredibly difficult to manage for the parents, and they would have likely been killed (or perhaps they wandered off). I don't mean to be offensive, but that's also only the 'high' functioning end of the spectrum I'm referring to.







Let me get this straight:

Aspies are: Detailed, scientific, pro-equality, independent, every synonym of righteousness that you could think of, relatively socially ret*d, motivated by not being enslaved and think scientifically.

Neurotypicals are: Simple, social, against equality, dependent, disrespectful, slaves, people-pleasers, often relatively intellectually ret*d, motivated only by other people and strictly 'think in people'.


I don't care if this isn't a popular opinion to have, but really, what stands out to me is the supremacism behind your theories, for example: social VS 'intelligence', slaves VS equality, disrespectful VS righteous. By posting that you're making a statement that individuals with AS are 'better than' neurotypicals (it is clear what traits are considered superior). I'm not stating the opposite, that neurotypicals are better than AS, but I am making a statement that individuals with AS are not better than neurotypicals. Individuals are individuals, and whether or not you can see that you're grouping people rather explicitly, you're going against your own words and theories.

I still believe the theories themselves are almost entirely based on stereotypes and your own current mental state (you posted a thread about having difficulty with work-place pecking order.. what makes you think NTs are ok with that anyway?). It doesn't make sense to me regardless, considering your foundations for the theory are contradicted by your splitting of individuals into two groups, 'Neurotypical' and 'People with AS'. If you have AS and your theories are true, then you wouldn't be using groups to such an extent that they form whatever you post. I won't be looking back at or replying to any of these threads anymore, considering you seemed to have ignored all my previous posts in them.

I grew up in the woods. I can fish all day. I have been addicted to fishing for muskies. I have killed, and eaten wild animals. I love wild blueberries. If I needed to live off the land, I could get by with a 200 word vocabulary, and be dirty. Not much different than any other redneck. I would rather have modern amenities. like a toilet, and a light bulb. umm. That is all I'm coming up with at the moment.

I feel the same way. Likely because you often really cannot trust others, unless it is in their interest that you feel well (like family).

Hi Norny.

I do not believe people with AS are "better" than NTs. That would be the same as saying that cats are better than dogs. They are different, in that they have different social structures, that is really all there is to it. Aspies often prioritizes the individual, while NTs often prioritizes the group. They are all self-interested (as all animals have to be to survive) in that they only do what they do because that social behaviour is what will make them survive (according to their neurology).

I did not say aspies are better than NTs. They are different, the same way cats are different from dogs. You made that implication yourself.

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Because they are. The group means so much to them that they will act according to their position in the social hierarchy, effectively making them 'lower' than those they please - for instance the leader of the group. They are content with it because the group means so much to them. But in the group itself they are only considered as important as what their social status suggests. The pariah eats last and least, you know.

NTs need a group because of their social structure, because they are pack animals. My guess is being rejected from the group is bad for aspies, but terrible for NTs.



I never said anyone has superior survival skills. You read that into it.

Because NTs are pack animals, hence they would rather be "enslaved" and being accepted by the group, than be "free" and rejected by the group.

AS people are (often) better at dealing with being alone, hence make better solo hunters.

It is only a matter of whether one has a pack mentality or not. I am not implying one of the social structures is superior to the other.



Because NTs often are better at dealing with bullying and intimidation making it easier for them to get help (in case people wanted to make some "funny remarks" over your need for assistance). Being independent is also important for NTs, but that is because it raises their social status in the group.

For humans to evolve the way that we have, it really obviously takes all kinds. That is why I am fond of animal spirits. When you attatch your personality to different animals, it can make you know that no two people are really alike. Different people can have commonalities, and work together, or not, and work against each other. All can be destructive, or benificial. Solitary, and social people come in all shapes and sizes. Some may even do the opposite just to defy themselves. This idea has been around alot longer than your known social structure.