Why "acting NT" is psychologically damaging

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02 Apr 2014, 3:45 pm

I didn't need to read this to know I will never act like an NT.


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02 Apr 2014, 4:33 pm

There is that but acting as though you are on the neurotypical spectrum could be similar to aping a person's traits in order to take the piss. Another area is like having a place in society like through fraudulent means in trying to be something that you are not and is stressful for the person because he or she is working especially in the presence of allistic people who have allistic levels of expectation for social interactions and also what is or no apporopriate in terms of social context because this is different form person to person. If the person is not allistic then how can one reasonable expect a person to be sociable in the same way as allistics even this means the autistic person is using his cognitive intelligence to decipher paralinguistic cues that people give especially those on the neurotypical spectrum being the dominant form of communication that people higher up the neurotypical spectrum tend to do almost without conscious thought. If a person can bluff his or her way into this system can tend to have access to jobs and a relationship until one realises one has difficulties in an area that an allistic partner excells at which is primarily a weakness in the autistic/Asperger syndrome person. But this is still expected because the person has allistic levels of intelligence scoring an average or above average IQ is expected to socialise like an allistic person rather using access needs that are provided to people with learning disabilities which would be considered as inappropriate in a person with allistic levels of intelligence despite the presence or not of impaired social and emotional intelligences. This in a way can make social bonding between people difficult and can cause psychological problems suchas depression or anxiety due to social demands put on the person which exceed the social and emotional intelligences of non allistic people including autistic/Asperger syndrome people even though not all AS people have incomplete or arrested emotional development but all have incomplete or arrested instinctive social skills development. :idea:



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02 Apr 2014, 4:39 pm

I don't feel like I "fake it", I feel more as if I'm transcribing from a foreign language.


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02 Apr 2014, 5:39 pm

I have to say I disagree.
I feel like I want to be seen as 'normal' as possible, and therefore will try to act NT. (Or learn appropriate social cues etc).
I want people to like me and to be accepted.
I feel like I would not be accepted into a group of nts if I didn't.

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02 Apr 2014, 5:48 pm

kirayng wrote:
qawer wrote:
neobluex wrote:
qawer wrote:
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@qawer: I have to disagree beacause you assume that Asperger's Syndrome is mainly a social disorder.


In what other aspects do you consider it a disorder?

The way I see it, the triad of impairments all have their root in not thinking socially enough (for "high-functioning", high intelligence AS).


New theories about autism center in being "hypersensible".

That "hypersensitivity" to stimuli might lead to withdrawal and neural adaptation because of all the strong steady stimuli. That originates an abnormal sensory experience that results in the "macroscopic" issues: sensory issues, preference for routine and the egocentrism that you describe.


Personally, I think that humans are not social per se, and that the social domain is learnt.


I think the hypersensitivity is a matter of not expressing enough anger/will power. As long as you express enough anger/will power, the hypersensitivity should be no problem. The issue is that expressing that kind of "uncontrolled anger" is socially unacceptable. In a social context you are only allowed to express anger corresponding to your social position and social norms. The boss is allowed to express the most anger/will power (i.e. making decisions), while the pariah is allowed to express the least anger/will power.


Try it for yourself. If you act "angry" as if you are to decide everything that is to happen, the hypersensitivity should disappear. The social realm inhibits our natural adult state of being.


You've hit on something pretty good here, I can't express myself for anything today so I'll leave it at this: I've noticed this, the built up energy from constantly suppressing this "solo-nature".



I have. Trust me on this one.

Willard is right about the sensory processing issue. But that issue only arises if you do not express enough anger! If you express your "solo-anger" the way you are supposed to, you will get a clear picture of the world similar to NTs, the only difference is you get a picture of a solo-hunter, while they get the social picture of a group hunter. I use what I call the SMIT-M^2-model to express this anger:

SMIT-M^2 = Serve Me In The Moment, while Moving.

The problem for us is this: NTs get this clear picture when they are together with others - they can appropriately express anger when being in a group. People with AS, on the other hand, can only appropriately express anger when on their own.

So to sum up:

Getting a clear picture of the world requires expressing some amount of anger.

NTs are able to express this anger when being in a group. Their brains cannot properly express this anger when alone, that is why they cannot be alone for too long without feeling bad. For a NT confidence is therefore measured in group-acceptance because the more you are accepted by the group, the more anger are you allowed to express without being rejected.

People with AS are able to express when being in on their own. Their brains cannot properly express this anger when in a group, that is why they cannot be social for too long without feeling bad. For a person with AS confidence is therefore measured in independence because the more independent you are, the more anger can you express without having to care about whether others are bothered by your expressed anger.


So I agree with Willard that sensory processing can be an issue for people with AS, but I still claim that the hunting style is what comes first in this equation.

Sensory processing issues are a result of not expressing enough anger. Either due to too much social dependence or due to having been "socialized" too much, i.e. acting too much like a baby-tiger instead of like a grown-up tiger.

I think the reason why many of us (?) probably do not express enough anger is because we have had bad experiences from social settings when doing this. This is because our anger is alpha-like, we cannot moderate our anger to fit our position in the social hierarchy. Either we express anger like an alpha, adult tiger (i.e. not accepting any leaders), or we express no anger and become child-like and experience sensory issues as a result (and accept everyone as leaders).

NTs automatically regulate how much anger they express so as to not get rejected or bullied by the group (more than necessary). They get their energy/anger from their group-belonging, while people with AS get their energy/anger from the independence. So in a group setting people with AS only have two choices: acting too alpha, thereby annoying the other group members because of not finding one's place, or acting too much like an omega, thereby being ridiculed in the group. I experienced both in my last job when I did not know about this.

I do not say you have to agree on this, but I suggest you seriously try to consider this before dismissing it.