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19 Aug 2014, 7:09 pm

Well on the subject of IQ tests results for the same person can be all over the place.

You either know the answers or you don't and the different tests can bring back very different results for the same person.

I have done quite a few online IQ tests I will take the ones in which I score well and forget the others. :lol:

I agree IQ tests are pretty worthless.

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19 Aug 2014, 7:12 pm

If any thread inspires people with "low-functioning" autism to participate, even if critical of the premise of the thread, I believe this would then be a useful thread.

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19 Aug 2014, 7:22 pm

Norny I seen that post that called you a sociopath that was well out of order.

I started a thread that got me into hot water before too.

You have done nothing wrong you used a term in all innocence that some find a put down.

Misunderstandings happen here all the time let's move on.

I just wanted to acknowledge that some here find the term low functioning an insult however I know you did not mean it that way.

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19 Aug 2014, 8:07 pm

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KingdomOfRats, I have read many of your posts.

I think that a great disservice has been done to you by the people who decided that how someone scores on "IQ" tests is an indicator of their total intelligence and ability to understand the world -- those people who made up the designations "low-functioning" and "intellectually disabled" don't understand their own tests.

IQ just isn't that valuable of a measure of anything other than a person's ability to do well on an IQ test.

I see you as another data point supporting the belief that I and many other people hold that IQ is BUNK.

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I agree.
I have an above average IQ but when I read posts by KoR I think that she is smarter than me, has much more worldly knowledge, has a lot of awareness, reasons well and articulates well.
I don't get it.
But people treat me like I am stupid anyway. I must be just good at test taking.

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19 Aug 2014, 8:24 pm

Oh Marybird!

If I were Leakey, I would have made you one of my Angels!

Just so I could pet that kitty cat!

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19 Aug 2014, 9:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Oh Marybird!

If I were Leakey, I would have made you one of my Angels!

Just so I could pet that kitty cat!

If you're ever in a position to send someone into the jungle to study primates, I need a job :cat:

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19 Aug 2014, 9:38 pm

You're at the top of my list, my dear

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19 Aug 2014, 10:26 pm

People with Autistic Disorder can have any IQ level and a whole range of ability levels in day to day life. Some need 24 hour care and support, others need minimal support and live very independently -- and everything in between. We're not stereotypes any more than people diagnosed with Asperger's are stereotypes.

Also, the line separating Asperger's and Autistic Disorder is a lot more blurry than many people seem to think....

Francesca Happe wrote:

The other major problem with applying the current DSM Asperger criteria comes from the precedence rule: diagnose Asperger disorder only if the individual doesn't meet criteria for autistic disorder.

The Asperger diagnosis is distinguished from autism by a lack of language and cognitive delay. However, language and cognitive delay are not diagnostic criteria for autism. So, to fail to meet criteria for autism, a person with Asperger syndrome must not show the communication impairments specified for autism. Since these include "marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation," most ? if not all ? people with Asperger syndrome do meet diagnostic criteria for autism.

As a result of these problems, the Asperger diagnosis is often given when, according to DSM-IV criteria, the diagnosis should be autism. A study that examined more than 300 pervasive developmental diagnoses from a survey of more than 400 clinicians shows that almost half the young people receiving Asperger or PDD-NOS labels in fact met DSM-IV criteria for autistic disorder.

Because the current criteria are hard to apply, different places use the term Asperger disorder differently, and inconsistently. A forthcoming study shows that the best predictor of whether someone receives the diagnosis of Asperger syndrome, PDD-NOS or autism, is which clinic they go to ? rather than any characteristics of the individuals themselves.

(^^ https://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/viewpoint/2011/why-fold-asperger-syndrome-into-autism-spectrum-disorder-in-the-dsm-5)

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19 Aug 2014, 11:54 pm

Kingdomofrats and KBBCWB, I hope you are both feeling much better. Depression is such a debilitating thing. I am sending both of you big hugs. KOR, I know that you don't feel the bonds of affection with other humans but if it can help you feel my hug you can think of me as a horse or a chicken. I say that with the greatest sincerity because I really truly want to encourage you. But you are both wonderful and I am so glad to know you both. WP would not be the same at all without you guys.

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19 Aug 2014, 11:58 pm

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I can respect how you see it Waterfalls but I don't really understand how it objectifies people. I see as just getting to know each other. No one is talking for the other, we are sharing how we experience things and realizing that some things we experience are more similar to each other than we knew before.

You never make me feel like you aren't seeing people as people Skibum!

Sometimes people just throw out there a search for, or belief that, if you have this or that label, this is how you are. And it's just not always true. A lot of assumptions and stereotypes are valid, but many aren't and it's when there's a mismatch that I'm bothered. For instance, I'm diagnosed with AS and that's I think valid. But in a small way I identify more with autism than Aspergers and so many of the things said about differences clash with how I see myself and my daughter as well. And that clash makes me confused who am I, what am I, so I at that point just want to drop labels and be me, and she is her. But when everything fits smoothly and is accurate I don't even notice.

The feeling objectified is when someone announces distinctions that don't seem valid to me. I have a hard time seeing another point of view without making it my own, and I get confused confronting the reality that someone thinks ______and I disagree. It seems like with adequate understanding we should be able to reach agreement. I am always confused when people don't. I don't understand that at all.

Does this make sense? It's hard to explain, so I hope somewhat?

Thank you Waterfalls. I am not sure that I understand completely what you mean yet but I really want to understand so I will read this a couple of more times to see if I can get a full understanding. Sometimes it takes me a little extra to understand certain things. It's a bit of a difficult concept and I really appreciate you taking the time to help me understand how you feel.

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20 Aug 2014, 12:02 am

sharkattack wrote:

skibum wrote:

sharkattack wrote:

I respect everybody here and at times we all do silly things I do not hold it against the person but I will have a go at the silly thing itself.

That thread asking low functioning people a question is up there with the worst threads on this board ever.

I can understand the need to express annoyance at that thread.

Why do you think it's a bad thread? They are genuine questions asked from a pure hearted intent. And we are having a very good conversation on that thread and learning quite a bit about each other that we might not have learned otherwise.

It's not the intent I just think those of us that fall on the aspie part of the spectrum should be careful not to hurt the feelings of others on the spectrum.

There are a lot of threads that have Aspergers in the title I feel this kind of makes others feel left out.

I know how I feel when I hear dumb people saying ass burgers I can understand how the term low functioning must feel for people with classic autism as I call it.

I will say it again we are all people.
I do understand the intent of the other thread and it while I may get it using the term classic autism or severe autism sounds better.

On this board we all have to deal with some level of Autism it what me have its not what we are.

Oh, I see what you mean. You make a very good an valid point.

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20 Aug 2014, 12:05 am

Thanks.

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20 Aug 2014, 4:22 am

I'm sorry Skibum that I was confusing. Maybe what Animalcrackers said: the line between Aspergers and autism is blurry. And when someone acts like it's distinct, I get confused and feel objectified.

I think we are all, Aspie, autistic and NT, much more alike than we are different. I get confused when I try to understand the perspective that differences are that important as I can't really sort it out. I wouldn't think so, but then I wonder, maybe I'm wrong. It appears to me other people thnk differences are extremely important. But it's often hard to understand what people really think and mean.

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20 Aug 2014, 8:15 am

Waterfalls wrote:

No Worries Waterfalls.

What you just wrote here, I can understand clearly. Thank you. This makes sense and I can see how you feel. It is good to see how people can have different understandings and perspectives about something. And I like that I can get to know you better like this because then I can try to be sensitive and respectful to you as well.

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22 Aug 2014, 6:44 pm

KingdomOfRats I love your new cover photo of you in the pool.

I have a picture of myself in the pool somewhere on the computer I will have to look for it.

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22 Aug 2014, 7:08 pm

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KingdomOfRats I love your new cover photo of you in the pool.

I have a picture of myself in the pool somewhere on the computer I will have to look for it.

thanks sharkattack.

it wasnt at special olympics swimming like the last avatar as it doesnt run during august due to school holidays,am hiring out a private pool in manchester every week for an hour and love just floating in it, besides pressure,its the best sensory experience ever from own experience.

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