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13 Sep 2014, 12:34 pm

There are some weird people on this message board*. It's almost like there's something wrong with them.

(yes, that was sarcasm too)

*myself included :D



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13 Sep 2014, 12:40 pm

LaughingAtTheSky wrote:
There are some weird people on this message board*. It's almost like there's something wrong with them.

(yes, that was sarcasm too)

*myself included :D

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13 Sep 2014, 1:54 pm

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Oh, Sarcasm, I see.


It's ironic, because people on the autism spectrum often have a hard time interpreting sarcasm. I have trouble with it sometimes, but I can definitely give it out. I guess I'm not the only sarcastic aspie out there.


The OP could have tacked this on to the end of the original post:

"Autistics have trouble understanding sarcasm"

"Aspies have trouble understanding sarcasm".

Its one more similarity between the two groups, and it would have been a humorous way to clue the largely autistic readership that what was written above was itsself an example of sarcasm.


I did not think of that one it would have been funny. :lol:



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13 Sep 2014, 2:14 pm

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It is quite obvious from my post above that Aspergers Syndrome and Autism are totally separate conditions how anybody could think they are linked is a mystery to me.


It would seem that this supposedly humorous salvo was aimed at some previous post on another thread. It is sarcastic and as such meant to be insulting to those who hold the view being denigrated in the post.

To start a new thread with an insult (mocking those who hold a different view) with no explanation of context is difficult to defend as simple humor.

If such a post triggers a defensive reaction on the part of someone else, some of the responsibility belongs on the shoulders of the original poster for being provocative (provoking).


It was aimed at a number of posts on another thread and my post was meant to be sarcastic and funny not insulting to anyone.

A new poster in another thread posted highly insulting posts about so called lower functioning individuals.

This thread was a humorous attempt on my part to show why we should all stick together.

That poster posted in this thread and repeated those offensive comments.

KingdomOfRats knows exactly what I am talking about.

Myself and KingdomOfRats attempted to overlook the offensive comments and welcome the new poster but those offensive comments kept on being repeated.

This thread is not an attack on that poster but rather a humorous and lite attempt to convey I consider people from all over the spectrum to be equal.

This is also not an attack on people who hold different views if some people really believe there is a difference between classic autism and aspergers I have now problem with that but I still think we should all be supporting each other.



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13 Sep 2014, 2:22 pm

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It is quite obvious from my post above that Aspergers Syndrome and Autism are totally separate conditions how anybody could think they are linked is a mystery to me.


It would seem that this supposedly humorous salvo was aimed at some previous post on another thread. It is sarcastic and as such meant to be insulting to those who hold the view being denigrated in the post.

To start a new thread with an insult (mocking those who hold a different view) with no explanation of context is difficult to defend as simple humor.

If such a post triggers a defensive reaction on the part of someone else, some of the responsibility belongs on the shoulders of the original poster for being provocative (provoking).


Sarcasm often has multiple aims. If one sees it as insulting, that may be a perception of choice. It could be cleared up by asking the OP, rather than telling them what they intend though?


You hit the nail on the head Thank You.

They do say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and I can promise I only started this thread with the best of intentions. :oops:



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13 Sep 2014, 2:30 pm

I don't mind to make some distinction between people with Asperger's and people with other (more low functioning) forms of autism. But that's exactly the point... at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, AS is still on the spectrum. On the AUTISTIC spectrum. It's a broad spectrum and even if you look at different people with AS you will see huge individual differences from person to person.

Now as far as classic autism is concerned, I do not wish to be lumped together with those who are significantly lower functioning then myself. I may not be your average typical guy but when people hear the word "autism" oftentimes negative images come to mind of people who cannot communicate at all, who flap their hands around, who are robotic or lacking empathy... stuff they've seen in movies and TV documentaries, basically. I would like to differentiate the two, at least to some degree, because I do belong to the group that is somewhat more functional.



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13 Sep 2014, 2:30 pm

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I can promise I only started this thread with the best of intentions. :oops:
I saw that very clearly and I think most of us did. And those who did not, I hope you see that now. SA is a very sweet guy who has a very pure heart and never intends to hurt anyone. I know that for sure. If anyone misunderstood his intentions, please know that they were pure and meant to make us laugh.


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13 Sep 2014, 2:31 pm

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I can promise I only started this thread with the best of intentions. :oops:
I saw that very clearly and I think most of us did. And those who did not, I hope you see that now. SA is a very sweet guy who has a very pure heart and never intends to hurt anyone. I know that for sure. If anyone misunderstood his intentions, please know that they were pure and meant to make us laugh.


Thanks and I like you too. :)



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13 Sep 2014, 2:40 pm

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I don't mind to make some distinction between people with Asperger's and people with other (more low functioning) forms of autism. But that's exactly the point... at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, AS is still on the spectrum. On the AUTISTIC spectrum. It's a broad spectrum and even if you look at different people with AS you will see huge individual differences from person to person.

Now as far as classic autism is concerned, I do not wish to be lumped together with those who are significantly lower functioning then myself. I may not be your average typical guy but when people hear the word "autism" oftentimes negative images come to mind of people who cannot communicate at all, who flap their hands around, who are robotic or lacking empathy... stuff they've seen in movies and TV documentaries, basically. I would like to differentiate the two, at least to some degree, because I do belong to the group that is somewhat more functional.


But surely that's already the case, isn't it? They already have different names. That's the whole point. That's why Asperger's Syndrome was created as a subcategory to Autism, because they realised there were these high functioning people who only had mild problems.

Isn't it a bit like saying that you wish it to be known that men are different from boys? Or that sharks are bigger than fish? Everyone already knows that.

Surely, if you tell someone you have Aspergers, and the don't know what it is, you can explain that it's a mild form of autism. Most intelligent people will understand, and will realise that this means it is not as severe as the really disabled autistics.

Having a problem with this, it is probably a symptom of Asperger's (being pedantic over things that most other people don't even care about). Ironic that :D



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13 Sep 2014, 2:40 pm

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I can promise I only started this thread with the best of intentions. :oops:
I saw that very clearly and I think most of us did. And those who did not, I hope you see that now. SA is a very sweet guy who has a very pure heart and never intends to hurt anyone. I know that for sure. If anyone misunderstood his intentions, please know that they were pure and meant to make us laugh.


Thanks and I like you too. :)
Hugs! :D


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13 Sep 2014, 2:43 pm

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Hugs! :D


Careful now, people on the spectrum often don't like being touched unexpectedly :wink:



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13 Sep 2014, 3:17 pm

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Hugs! :D


Careful now, people on the spectrum often don't like being touched unexpectedly :wink:
LOL!! !! Good thing they are cyber hugs! We might have to have Cockney Rebel throw one of her Sweet Peas! :D


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13 Sep 2014, 4:45 pm

Charloz wrote:
I don't mind to make some distinction between people with Asperger's and people with other (more low functioning) forms of autism. But that's exactly the point... at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, AS is still on the spectrum. On the AUTISTIC spectrum. It's a broad spectrum and even if you look at different people with AS you will see huge individual differences from person to person.

Now as far as classic autism is concerned, I do not wish to be lumped together with those who are significantly lower functioning then myself. I may not be your average typical guy but when people hear the word "autism" oftentimes negative images come to mind of people who cannot communicate at all, who flap their hands around, who are robotic or lacking empathy... stuff they've seen in movies and TV documentaries, basically. I would like to differentiate the two, at least to some degree, because I do belong to the group that is somewhat more functional.

Do you see how this comes across as elitist towards people on the "lower functioning" parts of the spectrum?

They have to put up with this negative perception, even though it is inaccurate. I feel those of us who obviously do not fit that perception should try to avoid perpetuating it ourselves - "oh no, I'm not like those autistic people!" makes us just as bad as the prejudiced.



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13 Sep 2014, 4:51 pm

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Do you see how this comes across as elitist towards people on the "lower functioning" parts of the spectrum?


I do, and I understand that. If I offended anyone, I am sorry. But elitist as this view may be, I do feel it from time to time. Maybe it is because on some subconscious level, I still wish to conform to society's expectations of what a "normal" person is supposed to be like. I should be more inclusive to those who are different, regardless of their label and our differences.

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They have to put up with this negative perception, even though it is inaccurate. I feel those of us who obviously do not fit that perception should try to avoid perpetuating it ourselves - "oh no, I'm not like those autistic people!" makes us just as bad as the prejudiced.


Being on the autistic spectrum and having prejudices aren't two mutually exclusive things, sadly enough. There is no ill intent in my stating that I am different from certain people on the spectrum, because I am less visible "odd". My issues are more hidden, more beyond the surface. That's the biggest difference.



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13 Sep 2014, 5:45 pm

Charloz wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Do you see how this comes across as elitist towards people on the "lower functioning" parts of the spectrum?


I do, and I understand that. If I offended anyone, I am sorry. But elitist as this view may be, I do feel it from time to time. Maybe it is because on some subconscious level, I still wish to conform to society's expectations of what a "normal" person is supposed to be like. I should be more inclusive to those who are different, regardless of their label and our differences.

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They have to put up with this negative perception, even though it is inaccurate. I feel those of us who obviously do not fit that perception should try to avoid perpetuating it ourselves - "oh no, I'm not like those autistic people!" makes us just as bad as the prejudiced.


Being on the autistic spectrum and having prejudices aren't two mutually exclusive things, sadly enough. There is no ill intent in my stating that I am different from certain people on the spectrum, because I am less visible "odd". My issues are more hidden, more beyond the surface. That's the biggest difference.

I think you're saying you know you're being prejudiced and are considering whether to be more accepting. That's great! Because, I see in your profile you have ASD and internalizing prejudice against oneself is very painful.

I did want to correct one thing, though. High functioning people can flap. I don't recall seeing adult males but I do sometimes, and I have seen, rarely, a few other women as well.



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14 Sep 2014, 5:26 am

Waterfalls wrote:
I think you're saying you know you're being prejudiced and are considering whether to be more accepting. That's great! Because, I see in your profile you have ASD and internalizing prejudice against oneself is very painful.


It's complicated... it really is.

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I did want to correct one thing, though. High functioning people can flap. I don't recall seeing adult males but I do sometimes, and I have seen, rarely, a few other women as well.


I wasn't aware of that. I thought it was a tick connected to the lower functioning autistics, and I always thought that to be higher functioning meant people would be unable to tell something was 'off' at first glance, leading to problems in communication later on.