Is the pecking order a good thing for society?

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12 Aug 2008, 11:31 am

Oh, believe me, I am in the US and there is plenty of dissent but this is needed everywhere.

I don't feel as comfortable because the area I am in is so conservative but at least I can talk about my discomfort, express it and maybe influence another's opinion to be a little less extreme. (I don't consider myself to be an extremist)

I am always complaining and I am so glad I have that right. Everyone should have that right.



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12 Aug 2008, 11:38 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Oh, believe me, I am in the US and there is plenty of dissent but this is needed everywhere.

I don't feel as comfortable because the area I am in is so conservative but at least I can talk about my discomfort, express it and maybe influence another's opinion to be a little less extreme. (I don't consider myself to be an extremist)

I am always complaining and I am so glad I have that right. Everyone should have that right.


Democracy is great in theory but in practice big business and special interest groups (religions, ethnic groups, smoking lobbies, gun lobbies etc.) have far more influence on the process than any one person. Even Obama will be in debt to a large range of groups who provided his funding and this will limit his freedom to act if he is elected. Most of these interest groups are not democratic and are not interested in people's welfare.



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12 Aug 2008, 11:45 am

It can be bad, in australia we still are kind of under queen rule. One time one of our great primeministers brought up the idea of independents and said the words:
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the next day the govener general(queens representitive) fired the prime minister, one person having ultimate power makes me feel ill, I think the people should have the power. Also we officialy do not have freedom of speech as a right. Alot of people are anoyed at our currnet prime minister but he is our best chance at indepents and though nothing has happend lately I think to hell we should be able to make our own minds. Some old lady could force us to do anything. People should learn to look out for each other and not be a slave to england, who cae just the chance it can happen.


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12 Aug 2008, 11:55 am

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There SHOULD be a pecking order, but it should be based on MERIT. These days, it seems to be based on sychophants and liars.


Thank you!



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12 Aug 2008, 12:58 pm

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Why can't there be a democratic comunism like government, one where we get to vote for our leaders, and everyone is looked after. I hate the mentality all for one, we should look after one another, full on progress is not always a good thing.


Communism never works. Sure it looks good on paper, but not in real life. No political model is perfect due to our nature as human beings. Utopia means just that-- "no place."



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12 Aug 2008, 12:59 pm

Averick wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
There SHOULD be a pecking order, but it should be based on MERIT. These days, it seems to be based on sychophants and liars.


What is meritocracy, exactly?



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12 Aug 2008, 1:14 pm

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Bradleigh wrote:
Why can't there be a democratic comunism like government, one where we get to vote for our leaders, and everyone is looked after. I hate the mentality all for one, we should look after one another, full on progress is not always a good thing.


Communism never works. Sure it looks good on paper, but not in real life. No political model is perfect due to our nature as human beings. Utopia means just that-- "no place."


So are you saying that the Christian message of loving thy neighbour is not a direct order towards caring for the community rather than just oneself? In other words a form of communism.

What is wrong with the "nature" of human beings?



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12 Aug 2008, 1:19 pm

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Utopia means just that-- "no place."


Interesting. I'd never thought about the meaning of the root word. What does the prefix "U-" mean? I'm blanking on any other words that begin with it.



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12 Aug 2008, 1:23 pm

Well dystopia is supposed to be the opposite.


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12 Aug 2008, 1:51 pm

corroonb wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
Why can't there be a democratic comunism like government, one where we get to vote for our leaders, and everyone is looked after. I hate the mentality all for one, we should look after one another, full on progress is not always a good thing.


Communism never works. Sure it looks good on paper, but not in real life. No political model is perfect due to our nature as human beings. Utopia means just that-- "no place."


So are you saying that the Christian message of loving thy neighbour is not a direct order towards caring for the community rather than just oneself? In other words a form of communism.

What is wrong with the "nature" of human beings?


The Christian message is not a political ideology. :roll:

What's wrong with the nature of human beings? Look around. Turn on the TV. Read the newspaper. It's a fallen world. It's not what it could be or should be. :(



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12 Aug 2008, 2:03 pm

slowmutant wrote:
corroonb wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
Why can't there be a democratic comunism like government, one where we get to vote for our leaders, and everyone is looked after. I hate the mentality all for one, we should look after one another, full on progress is not always a good thing.


Communism never works. Sure it looks good on paper, but not in real life. No political model is perfect due to our nature as human beings. Utopia means just that-- "no place."


So are you saying that the Christian message of loving thy neighbour is not a direct order towards caring for the community rather than just oneself? In other words a form of communism.

What is wrong with the "nature" of human beings?


The Christian message is not a political ideology. :roll:

What's wrong with the nature of human beings? Look around. Turn on the TV. Read the newspaper. It's a fallen world. It's not what it could be or should be. :(


Any actual arguments, slowmutant? Or are your statements always correct without elaboration?

Fallen world? Why is the world fallen? Does this have anything to do with the spread of mono-theism and the conflicts between monotheist states?

The world is what we make of it. If you think the world is fallen, then you have given up.

So Jesus never made "political" points? He was just talking about personal behaviour? So people aren't actually involved in politics? Religion has no influence on politics?



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12 Aug 2008, 2:12 pm

hooooh my screen is starting to go black from the simmering smoke.
im outta here!


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12 Aug 2008, 2:18 pm

I have heard many speaches where the American presidant says Christ, or about god, your american government to us looks like there is too much religous influence. the bigest problem is that the world is too corparal and people are drifting apart instead of joining together, one reason among many is differences on religion, and racism.


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12 Aug 2008, 3:10 pm

The fallnness of mankind and the world is discussed in the Bible. :study:



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12 Aug 2008, 3:13 pm

slowmutant wrote:
The fallnness of mankind and the world is discussed in the Bible. :study:


Since you seem to believe in the literal truth of this book, there is no point in continuing any discussion.



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12 Aug 2008, 3:21 pm

I do not interpret the Bible word-for-word. Don't presume to tell me what I believe. It's very irritating, you.