Moved to Foreign Countries to run away from NT expectations

Page 3 of 4 [ 60 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Warsie
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Apr 2008
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,542
Location: Chicago, IL, USA

12 Dec 2008, 12:23 am

fresco wrote:
I have an obsession with Cairo and the Middle East at the moment. I really want to leave Britain and experience a new culture outside the EU. Get away from the expense and the silly English celebrity rubbish. But today I read its 50 degrees and there are 64,000 people per square mile compared to 1,600 in London and its heavily polluted. Plus as a single woman it would be very tricky living in a Muslim community.


You should go to Dubai instead, that or Instanbul in Turkey. That's where I'd go..


_________________
I am a Star Wars Fan, Warsie here.
Masterdebating on chi-city's south side.......!


Bozewani
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 3 Mar 2008
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 396

20 Jan 2009, 9:45 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
I'm British and have lived in Britain all my life, but I love travelling abroad and when I graduate from uni I want to live in New York City. Not just cos I'm an aspie, I didn't actually think about that being a factor. I just think New York City is awesome.


I go to NYC quite often( I live in New Jersey), and really no one notices you there. You can walk the street half naked and no one would notice(Ok, that was an extreme example).

It's actually quite nice.



gina-ghettoprincess
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Nov 2008
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,669
Location: The Town That Time Forgot (UK)

20 Jan 2009, 9:53 am

Bozewani wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
I'm British and have lived in Britain all my life, but I love travelling abroad and when I graduate from uni I want to live in New York City. Not just cos I'm an aspie, I didn't actually think about that being a factor. I just think New York City is awesome.


I go to NYC quite often( I live in New Jersey), and really no one notices you there. You can walk the street half naked and no one would notice(Ok, that was an extreme example).

It's actually quite nice.


Cool, I think that was one of my reasons for wanting to go there.


_________________
'El reloj, no avanza
y yo quiero ir a verte,
La clase, no acaba
y es como un semestre"


Aspie1
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Mar 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,749
Location: United States

20 Jan 2009, 10:33 am

This thread explains why I had such a great time during my vacation in Israel. And on top of that, it's one of the few countries in the world where they actually like America (maybe it'll be different under Obama). I know only a handful on Hebrew phrases, and most people I met knew only basic English. So as a result, I had to communicate heavily via hand gestures and facial expressions. Now I'm sure they looked awkward. But at the beginning of the conversation, I'd tell people that I'm from America. So they'd make a genuine effort to communicate with me, and not focus on how awkward I looked in the process. (And I'm sure that me being Jewish helped me fit it.)

On a side note, tourists and newcomers are expected to act a little crazy in Israel, due to something called Jerusalem Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome). It doesn't happen to all visitors, but it's common enough for society at large to be aware of it. So if someone goes there and doesn't act "normal" (read: like NTs expect), most people will attribute it to Jerusalem Syndrome and generally not care.



mosez
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 10 Nov 2008
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 490
Location: Norway

20 Jan 2009, 10:49 am

I really like this idea. I have thought about this many times, but I'm afraid that the problems will catch up on you, sooner or later. And then you gotta move again. "You gotta move", reminds me of a stones song.
I use to daydream about this. I really love the pacific north-west in USA and BC Canada, that would be my first choice. In fact I have checked the possibilities to get jobs over there, not very serious, just looked around on the web, but with this financial crisis and all, I believe it might be difficult. But one can dream, that's free.


_________________
I don't pay any attention to you, standing there thinking you are in control, cause I am in control-mosez


Morgana
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Age: 65
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,524
Location: Hamburg, Germany

20 Jan 2009, 12:00 pm

I can definitely relate to this topic, too. I´m an American, and I´ve been living in European countries now for about the last 17 years. I don´t think I´ll ever go back to the States to live; in fact, I tried it once, but it didn´t work, and now I´m back in Europe. I just feel so much more accepted here, and I can ask questions- (actually, I´ve decided to do that anyway, not try to hide it anymore). Anyway, so- yes, I do find international situations much better.


_________________
"death is the road to awe"


TallyMan
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,061

20 Jan 2009, 12:31 pm

I'm English but have lived in France for the last three years. Not sure if the French are more accepting or not to be honest, but my wife and me didn't move here to escape from anyone. Not all the new customs may be welcome to aspies though who may find French people too "touchy feely" - they like to shake hands and kiss a lot. I've also run into a small amount of "racism" but not really a problem.

One thing to watch out for is being ripped off. When we moved here we were taken advantage of because we did not know how certain things are done - being aspie may have made me even more susceptible to this too. Moving to a new country is a big upheaval especially if you have to learn a new language. There is good and bad. I'd hate to move back to England now though.

The more I hear about America puts me off it. I'd hate to live there, though perhaps the news articles about the place tend to pick up more on the bad things than the good. Certain states sound much worse than others too.


_________________
I've left WP indefinitely.


Bozewani
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 3 Mar 2008
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 396

20 Jan 2009, 12:41 pm

/\ The media dramatizes things. It's just the way things are. I can't imagine America or France being better then the other.



Loborojo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Aug 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 1,242
Location: Negombo

20 Jan 2009, 1:16 pm

Exactly, I move on all the time, ever since I was 23...and i don't know how to stop, as soon as I start to feel the routine of a village or town, I move on


_________________
Your Aspie score: 152 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 48 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie


Last edited by Loborojo on 20 Jan 2009, 2:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

raggle-taggle-gypsy
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 17 Dec 2008
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 169
Location: Ireland

20 Jan 2009, 2:36 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
Jerusalem Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome). It doesn't happen to all visitors, but it's common enough for society at large to be aware of it.


:lol: I lived in Jerusalem for seven months this year. JS is quite a cool phenomenon

I completely identify with this. I've been moving about for the last few years. Kenya, Israelestine and now France. It's an easy way to hide from the fact that it's not really my home culture that's underdeveloped, it's me. Still, I do love doing something silly and have people put it down to Irishness :lol:


_________________
Ara, what do I care for me goose feathered bed?
What do I care for blankets?
Tonight I lie in a wide open field,
in the arms of me raggle taggle gypsy-o


Naturella
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 8 Dec 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 186

20 Jan 2009, 3:11 pm

Well, I guess, I am going to be awfully boring if I tell that

when it is good - it is very, very good,...

when it is bad - it is horid...

Yeah, it is cool to go to a cool place, if you are cool there (offered a job for example).

But it is just going from bad to worse if you just go somewhere where you have very little prospects in life.

Yeah, people will forgive you your mess ups, but the more important is the fact - there will be even less people who would care. There would be even a greater abyss of a lonelyness, there will be isolation and Aspies are not those people who run away from other people. Aspies are those from whom people run away.....It is like screwing your life completely and totally, just because it is already skrewed in one way.



Hovis
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jul 2006
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 936
Location: Lincolnshire, England

20 Jan 2009, 5:36 pm

Liverbird wrote:
I had this experience after living in Asia several years. The social expectations of a different culture do not apply to you when you do not belong to that culture. No one expects you to be perfect or to use the exact right social norms. If you screw it up, they correct you gently and explain to you why you are wrong, and exactly how to do it the right way.


I recall reading that people in Japan, for instance, are often far more accepting of the mistakes of foreigners such as Europeans than of those of Chinese, Koreans, etc. The thinking behind it is that a European person is so completely different that they can't be expected to know how to behave in Japanese society, but a fellow East Asian doesn't have any such excuse and is expected to learn very quickly.



TallyMan
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 40,061

20 Jan 2009, 6:00 pm

Hovis wrote:
I recall reading that people in Japan, for instance, are often far more accepting of the mistakes of foreigners such as Europeans than of those of Chinese, Koreans, etc. The thinking behind it is that a European person is so completely different that they can't be expected to know how to behave in Japanese society, but a fellow East Asian doesn't have any such excuse and is expected to learn very quickly.


It is interesting when turned on its head. Many years ago an Asian Indian friend said to me that he could not understand the disgusting custom we westerners had regarding head colds. We would pull a tissue or handkerchief from our pockets, fill it with snot - then put it back in our pocket again! He had a point, I'd never thought about it that way before.


_________________
I've left WP indefinitely.


zen_mistress
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,033

20 Jan 2009, 11:35 pm

ASDMOM wrote:
It wasn't until I joined this forum, yesterday, that I realized why I felt a frequent urge to move from one country to another to feel comfortable. When you are in a foreign society, people look at your "different" or "odd" behaviors as something acceptable because you are a "foreigner". They think that everyone in your country probably does it that way so they don't give you much grief about it. In social situations, I could comfortably stay in the margin when people spoke the local dialect that I did not know yet. At dinners/parties, I would day dream instead and just smile and nod and enjoy the good food. My family asked me if I felt lonely. But I never did. There was no need to spend tons of energy reading their social cues, facial expressions, etc... because people would spell it out to me since I was the foreigner. So I moved from country to country and loved it. Recently, I had to move back to the States and it made me feel so sad and alone. Wasn't sure why. I now understand being around NT people that have certain expectations of me is annoying and reminds me all the time how different I feel around them. Being around NTs that do not impose their social expectations on me so much is refreshing. I guess that is why I married someone from a different country, who by the way, turned out to be exactly just like me. (And thus he never dated anyone in his home country, LOL) Now that I have the "wrong planet" I feel I don't have to pack my bags again so soon. :D


I also love living overseas for similar reasons. Also I like living somewhere where I am not familiar with everything.. many new experiences.



Aspie1
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Mar 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,749
Location: United States

21 Jan 2009, 2:02 am

raggle-taggle-gypsy wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
Jerusalem Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome). It doesn't happen to all visitors, but it's common enough for society at large to be aware of it.


:lol: I lived in Jerusalem for seven months this year. JS is quite a cool phenomenon

That's awesome! What was it like living there? Did you live in the New City or the Old City? I'm sure you enjoyed the local culture. I know I did, even though I went there years ago.



Hovis
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jul 2006
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 936
Location: Lincolnshire, England

22 Jan 2009, 3:46 am

TallyMan wrote:
It is interesting when turned on its head. Many years ago an Asian Indian friend said to me that he could not understand the disgusting custom we westerners had regarding head colds. We would pull a tissue or handkerchief from our pockets, fill it with snot - then put it back in our pocket again! He had a point, I'd never thought about it that way before.


He's absolutely right! :) I do actually always throw tissues away after using them for wiping my nose, unless I really haven't got access to a bin and just dropping would be littering.