We do not know anything about this "cure"

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01 Dec 2008, 8:55 am

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re. treatments... These are not universally good... I think any treatment which has as its main goal to make someone more normal will almost certainly be damaging.


I agree.


What is "normal"?

What is "behaving in a socially inappropriate way"?

What if "normal" was defined as what was convenient to society to prevent dissent and make people easier to control?

If that was the case, why stop at AS people?
Why not treat "normal" people for "behaving inappropriately" too?

Why not just call everybody "ill" then medicate/treat them all into compliance to suit the government?

Why not just drug everyone up into submission so they fit some metaphorical, pre-defined, non-existent, "normal" personality "ginger-bread man" mold?
*Sarcasm*


There has to be another way.
People's individuality and humanity need to be respected...



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01 Dec 2008, 9:13 am

To try to cure somebody with a disability, is like giving God a slap in the face, and asking him, "How dare you make that person, the way that you did"


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01 Dec 2008, 9:16 am

twallcx wrote:
WhyAmIAspie wrote:
-Some aspies do not know what they are talking about.
-Adopting the opinions of others is a very common trait in Aspergers. Many have an inability to form their own opinions. This is why one opinion ends up eerily similar to the other.
-They have not been cured, so why are they making assumptions about it?
-A feeling of correctness is also a trait of Aspergers. They will not stop
-Many aspies take disagreement very personally.
-Many aspies have a habit of worrying. This thought of a cure distracts them from their daily habits.

This is why we should stop this anti-cure stuff, we do not know what this cure is.


You seem to be subscribing to the "Aspies are morons and shouldn't have a right to make their own decisions" school of though.

you're not buying into hateful propaganda, are you?


A cure for being a 70s Punker in a world that's scared of those who are different...no thank you! :twisted:


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01 Dec 2008, 11:26 am

This is just to get referrals for a site. If this is not alllowed I will be happy to remove it.


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01 Dec 2008, 11:31 am

I always wanted to know what this treatment is like. I want to learn how to deal with life without autism ruining it. I don't think this cure will change who we are, but rather to get rid of the symptoms that affect our daily lives. Like the ADHD medication. It reduces hyperactivity and increases attention span. I want the social skills the normal thinkers have. I need the social skills so I can function properly in the work force. One wrong move and I'll be fired. I want to behave and function properly in society, to make friends and make the right decisions. I'd cure my children too(If I had any...), so they don't have go through the same things I went through.



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01 Dec 2008, 11:43 am

I actually found the source of this Article. Autistic Speaks...I forgot the name of the site sorry.
I was just diagnosed and I was researching the disorder. And I wanted a cure tooo.


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01 Dec 2008, 11:55 am

Well that explains a lot. :P



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01 Dec 2008, 12:18 pm

I have Asperger's which was diagnosed when I was an adult. Would I want to get rid of it?---No. So if there was a "cure" I would not take the medicine. I am however beginning some "coaching" sessions so that I can be a better husband and father to my family.

Now for my bold statement on autism. I don't believe it is a defect. We are all wired differently. If this was the way we were made based on our personal blueprint, how can we fix it? If someone did fix us, then they would be altering the blueprint and thus creating another person out of the one that was autistic. So for this reason, I do not believe a cure can exist because we on the autism spectrum are not broken.

However, the majority of the world does not think like us. So therefore, in order to fit in with the so-called "norm" the need for adaptation seems evident. For this reason, I believe "coaching" sessions can be a benefit.

I have OCD with my Asperger's, and my wife relies on me to be the "checker" whenever we leave the house in the mornings (doors locked, iron unplugged, lights off, etc.) So I don't see it as a handicap to me. I wouldn't want a cure.



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01 Dec 2008, 2:50 pm

Yeah, I think your sig's not allowed... counts as advertising... Ask a mod to be sure.


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01 Dec 2008, 3:13 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
To try to cure somebody with a disability, is like giving God a slap in the face, and asking him, "How dare you make that person, the way that you did"


Well, even for someone who doesn't believe in "god" i am partially in agreement with you



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01 Dec 2008, 3:21 pm

lexis wrote:
Well that explains a lot. :P


Didn't i mention something about "hateful propaganda" earlier?



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01 Dec 2008, 4:16 pm

Yes, looking back you did.

I can't say I'm keen on Autism Speaks. I've tried to be open minded but some of the things 'they've' said are hurtful. I felt really bad for that kid in video that had to listen to 'mum' say those horrible things.



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01 Dec 2008, 4:17 pm

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Yes, looking back you did.

I can't say I'm keen on Autism Speaks. I've tried to be open minded but some of the things 'they've' said are hurtful. I felt really bad for that kid in video that had to listen to 'mum' say those horrible things.

What video?


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01 Dec 2008, 4:23 pm

twallcx wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
To try to cure somebody with a disability, is like giving God a slap in the face, and asking him, "How dare you make that person, the way that you did"


Well, even for someone who doesn't believe in "god" i am partially in agreement with you
This sort of depends on the situation for me. If we were to take this sentiment to its strictest logical conclusion, we should abolish medicine. If someone has a problem, like a broken hand, we should fix that. If someone has depression, we should treat them for that. But if someone if just odd, we should leave them alone. And we shouldn't do things against the individual's will unless there are extreme circumstances.

So I just caution you against going too far in that direction of don't cure people because that's the way they are. We should assist the sick.



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01 Dec 2008, 4:30 pm

The video where the mother said- while the kid was in the same room- that she had considered driving off the George Washington bridge with the kid. I've read somewhere that that was an important member of the organisation too.



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01 Dec 2008, 4:43 pm

I'm skipping reading most of this to express my opinion. HO! Yep, I have one. Many. Just ask my husband.

I do not know the cure of which you speak. I have not even heard enough of it to understand why you're referring to it as "this cure" but one thing I have gathered from the attitudes of those who seek a cure for anything... "Cure" means a way to make the thing gone so that the person with said "thing" becomes more like other people, particularly in the case of illness or disease. It's good to be cured of cancer, to become like those who do not have it, ditto other illnesses and diseases. The term "cure" is automatically linked with illness. Therefore they regard this as an illness. If people who have it and have no desire to be made like others take issue with a term that implies illness, I cannot blame them.

It has been my observation that those who seek to cure it who have autistic children, are those who believe that autism has one black-and-white blanket cause. They want to find it, and to thereby destroy it. In the case of a parent of a child who has to wear diapers perpetually and cannot speak, I've never really been able to feel angry about that desire. Who wants to live their life knowing that someday they'll die and leave a helpless adult child at the mercy of whatever home they find for him/her? You'd have to hope to help the kid "wake up" whether it's plausible or not.

And it is my personal opinion that to those seeking cures in schools and other institutions, rather than having the motivation of a caring parent, are frequently driven by the fact that "disorders" and "syndromes" cost them money. It's easier and cheaper to school everyone in the same way. Modern medicine is suffering from the same corruption. It's cheaper to treat the most likely illness instead of testing to make sure it's the actual illness. But that's another rant.


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