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26 Jul 2011, 7:16 pm

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Wheresoever the attention lies, so too will vultures be gathered there

Lovespeech? Is that a new word?

Since you have scarcely learned the elements of self-control, in psychism, you must suffer bad consequences. You draw to yourself the nearest and strongest influences " often evil " and absorb them, and are psychically stifled or narcotised by them. The airs become peopled with resuscitated phantoms. They give you false tokens, misleading revelations, deceptive images. Your vivid creative fancy evokes illusive Gurus and chelas [disciples], and puts into their mouths words coined the instant before in the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself. The false appear as real, as the true, and you have no exact method of detection since you are yet prone to force your communications to agree with your preconceptions.

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26 Jul 2011, 7:48 pm

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After Norways shootings I have been thinking a lot :?:

I was also thinking about hate speech in general, you know, your everyday WP anti NT stuff, the dissing of the sexes on WP Love and Dating, anti Autism Speaks vitriol, members arguing and fighting and getting their knickers in a twist etc etc

How much of an indicator of sociopathy is hate speech? Or hate thought??

I realize every hate speaker/thinker will not have guns and bombs and decide to act on their hate

But in general how meaningful to you, is hate speech seen in another person?

Obviously, someone full of understanding, peace and love would not express hate of others.

Blessed be the peacemakers

Very thoughtful, Surfman

I don't consider expressing frustration with life hate speech. To me, hate speech is when you express hate toward a specific race or gender or group of people, or a specific person, not the general dissatisfaction with life and how one is treated. It's like, if you know what it is that's bothering you, frustration and dissatisfaction with life, you are not so apt to want to destroy other people because you know it's about your own personal issues and not about others and how you want to ruin their lives. I hope my situation improves but I don't want to destroy someone else's life. That won't make mine any better or easier.

Still, I will probably complain when someone is rude for no good reason, just because they want to be or think it's fun or whatever. I will complain when I feel discriminated against, too.



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26 Jul 2011, 8:29 pm

I make formal complaints and am an active protestor.

There are many struggles for liberty in the face of oppression



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26 Jul 2011, 8:33 pm

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There is only true speech and false speech.

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One should only speak of that which is real. How am I to know what is real? So why should I speak?



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26 Jul 2011, 8:42 pm

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How am I to know what is real?

If a thing has consistently measurable presence or effects, then it can be considered real (i.e., matter, energy, physical forces).

If a thing has no consistently measurable presence or effect, then it can be considered not real (i.e., gods, ghosts, and psychic abilities).
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So why should I speak?

To impart knowledge.


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27 Jul 2011, 1:20 am

Fnord wrote:
Surfman wrote:
How am I to know what is real?

If a thing has consistently measurable presence or effects, then it can be considered real (i.e., matter, energy, physical forces).

If a thing has no consistently measurable presence or effect, then it can be considered not real (i.e., gods, ghosts, and psychic abilities).
Surfman wrote:
So why should I speak?

To impart knowledge.


Earth looks flat to me! Why do I look up at the phone before it rings? Why did I wake at 4.30am when my father passed away, his time of death. Why did I start a thread about scandanavians and aspergers 2 weeks ago that has been removed?. Why did I start a survivalist during catastrophe, thread on another site, last year just before our earthquakes in NZ?

Why did I become agitated over bizarre events occurring around me 6pm NZ time, during the hours of Breviks killings. Why Why Why?

Tell me what is real



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27 Jul 2011, 3:55 am

Breivik - never again. I hate hate speech. I define it as speaking against a group of people who are different in some way. In other words, hate speech is the mantra of enforced sameness. Only weak people use it regularly. I think it really doesn't matter if hate speech is practiced openly before public, at workplace, at home, or in the company of a few trusted friends. It'll be still one. If people would be mature, such as being able to recognize the inherently erroneous reasoning, the inhuman nature of its fundamentals, no one would be listening to it, so eventually every move to protect the offended would be superfluous. Alas, this is not the case. People will use it to boost their otherwise poor self-esteem, protect their ego, taking it everyday as it was their bread and butter. I see such cases of "humans" around me. Quotes stand for the question, why humanity is still in the middle ages mentally? *sigh*

Tell me what is real - There is no way to tell it, strictly saying. As I see it, best way to perceive the world around you is to mix materialism and agnosticism. Trust exact science, but be prepared for the unexpected. Don't always search for exact explanations.


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