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09 Nov 2011, 12:12 am

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NT see us as something that should be eradicated from the gene pool. They are searching for the genes that show autism so they can spot it early enough so that an autistic baby can be aborted before it is too late to eliminated it. If they begin aborting babies that show signs of autism I hope they eliminate every one of them and their enemies embrace the autistic babies born to their society. They deserve to be without great scientists, artists, and engineers while their enemies flourish in a golden age brought to them by autistic minds while the autism killing culture collapses into a degenerate slave race. :twisted:


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I WONDER if the Pro Life people would be For aborting Autistic babies or keeping them...hmm that would be a great controversy in the media...hmm



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09 Nov 2011, 12:17 am

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The world would be a boring place to live if we were all the same. We need differences in this world and besides, I prefer people who are different. :)

Yes! Someone who thinks like me! :D


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09 Nov 2011, 1:20 am

If I was to have a child and they identified a problem such as autism and there was a choice between that and normal, I'd choose normal. If it was up to me.



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09 Nov 2011, 1:46 am

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If I was to have a child and they identified a problem such as autism and there was a choice between that and normal, I'd choose normal. If it was up to me.


hmmm this answer goes against what youve been preaching all this time



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09 Nov 2011, 3:19 am

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"its good to be different"


If we never learn to accept ourselves, we will never go anywhere. We're humans too and we deserve some self-worth or else we'll never go nowhere.

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To have a life you have to have a JOB that PAYS THE BILLS this = REALITY


I do agree with you on this one and I don't agree with aspies who remain jobless and just simply moach off there parents or social security. I dont care what it takes, I believe most aspies can have a job even if it takes ALOT. What is ideal is for an aspie to make use of their talents and special interests and use that as a career.

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Most NTs do this at a young age socialize get connections networks and GET JOBS and MONEY and can socialize and communicate with their fellow co-workers, as an aspie working in a :idea: NT workplace it can be VERY CONFUSING...VERY CONFUSING

Ive worked in Hotels, fast food and a few other jobs, if you dont fit in your INSTANTLY OUTCASTED,


I agree with this one, I work at the Supermarket and well....its not the most ideal but its temporary.

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I want there to be some sort of help for aspie people, not support groups, but actual treatment, that makes a real change, because it seems so far the only way to treat AS is to eliminate the gene, and There are many aspie people out there who only care about themselves and their desire to have a child, where this child is born into the world with AS and they have to now go through intolerable symptoms because their parents felt like reproducing.


I only agree with you part way. I do think their should be real, more effective help for AS so we can live fulfilling productive lives and dont end up getting succumbed into depression and anxiety. I dont think we should be trying to eliminate AS.



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09 Nov 2011, 7:44 am

Panic wrote:
Surfman wrote:
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NT see us as something that should be eradicated from the gene pool. They are searching for the genes that show autism so they can spot it early enough so that an autistic baby can be aborted before it is too late to eliminated it. If they begin aborting babies that show signs of autism I hope they eliminate every one of them and their enemies embrace the autistic babies born to their society. They deserve to be without great scientists, artists, and engineers while their enemies flourish in a golden age brought to them by autistic minds while the autism killing culture collapses into a degenerate slave race. :twisted:


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I WONDER if the Pro Life people would be For aborting Autistic babies or keeping them...hmm that would be a great controversy in the media...hmm


I believe in the protection of all human life from conception, until natural death. That includes the lives of people on the autistic spectrum. I do not believe in the abortion of autistic babies, or other babies who have any sort of a disability. All babies should be brought into this world, including autistic babies. Aborting an autistic baby isn't any different. The mother is still murdering and ripping apart a living fetus in her womb, and I feel that it's a very selfish act, because the mother doesn't give a damn about the child, she only cares about herself. All babies should be brought into this world and that includes autistic babies. You asked and you got an honest answer. I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore, but I've found that my posts are needed.


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09 Nov 2011, 8:59 am

Panic, I agree with every word of your original post. I think the difference between you and a lot of other people here (myself included), is that you take all that stuff to mean that you must spend your life miserable, while others take it to mean that they have to work harder at being happy.

Yes, having Asperger's is a disadvantage. Sometimes a huge one. But if one's goal is happiness (by which I do not mean conventional measures of success), then it can be overcome.


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09 Nov 2011, 5:09 pm

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@swbluto: You would never be able to create an NT from an Aspie. Can't just get rid of a life time of experience. It would essentially take away the strengths of autism and leave the person in a position where they now have to cope with normal life despite being overwhelmingly inexperienced. That's no cure. That's even if it works, which it won't. They don't actually know what's 'wrong' with autism. They just know the symptoms.


Well, it's true there'd be adjustment difficulties but I don't honestly think that...

Increasing the ability to read and understand people's intentions IN REAL TIME.
Increasing the ability to read emotional states and facial expressions IN REAL TIME.
Increasing attention switching speeds.
Among other undeniably beneficial enhancements...

Would be particularly disadvantageous and much of it is certainly not dependent on "experience". (Well, I think... anyways, at least not in the long term.)


How can we separate the two (abilities/experience)? Who knows WHAT life after a cure would be like?



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09 Nov 2011, 5:55 pm

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Panic wrote:
Surfman wrote:
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NT see us as something that should be eradicated from the gene pool. They are searching for the genes that show autism so they can spot it early enough so that an autistic baby can be aborted before it is too late to eliminated it. If they begin aborting babies that show signs of autism I hope they eliminate every one of them and their enemies embrace the autistic babies born to their society. They deserve to be without great scientists, artists, and engineers while their enemies flourish in a golden age brought to them by autistic minds while the autism killing culture collapses into a degenerate slave race. :twisted:


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I WONDER if the Pro Life people would be For aborting Autistic babies or keeping them...hmm that would be a great controversy in the media...hmm


I believe in the protection of all human life from conception, until natural death. That includes the lives of people on the autistic spectrum. I do not believe in the abortion of autistic babies, or other babies who have any sort of a disability. All babies should be brought into this world, including autistic babies. Aborting an autistic baby isn't any different. The mother is still murdering and ripping apart a living fetus in her womb, and I feel that it's a very selfish act, because the mother doesn't give a damn about the child, she only cares about herself. All babies should be brought into this world and that includes autistic babies. You asked and you got an honest answer. I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore, but I've found that my posts are needed.


YOUR pro life for aspie kids, but what im talking about is NT pro lifers, because there is not ONE SINGLE NT WHO IS Pro Aspie, I bet there is not even ONE, and if there is one, it is because she was born with an autistic child and they feel they have to support it for their own mental peace.



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09 Nov 2011, 6:24 pm

That just comes to show what a bunch of perfectionists NTs are.


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09 Nov 2011, 6:29 pm

Where is this discrimination, this plotting and these eradication plans in the REAL WORLD? I have never had anyone walk up and say, "I'm NT, you are Aspie." or" You are Aspie and therefore a threat". Most people I am sure have never heard the terms Aspie or NT (unless it would be a Windows IT person).

I consider most people to be about half my intelligence at best, can't say I am very threatened by anyone. I do have a certain "scariness" that I can project, guess I look like a blonde Terminator in my sunglasses and leather jacket.

Are Terminators AS?



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09 Nov 2011, 7:04 pm

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That just comes to show what a bunch of perfectionists NTs are.


For a bunch of perfectionists they sure do have sloppy reasoning.



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09 Nov 2011, 8:32 pm

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Where is this discrimination, this plotting and these eradication plans in the REAL WORLD? I have never had anyone walk up and say, "I'm NT, you are Aspie." or" You are Aspie and therefore a threat". Most people I am sure have never heard the terms Aspie or NT (unless it would be a Windows IT person).

I consider most people to be about half my intelligence at best, can't say I am very threatened by anyone. I do have a certain "scariness" that I can project, guess I look like a blonde Terminator in my sunglasses and leather jacket.

Are Terminators AS?


XD possibly terminators are



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09 Nov 2011, 9:30 pm

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I believe in the protection of all human life from conception, until natural death. That includes the lives of people on the autistic spectrum. I do not believe in the abortion of autistic babies, or other babies who have any sort of a disability. All babies should be brought into this world, including autistic babies. Aborting an autistic baby isn't any different. The mother is still murdering and ripping apart a living fetus in her womb, and I feel that it's a very selfish act, because the mother doesn't give a damn about the child, she only cares about herself. All babies should be brought into this world and that includes autistic babies. You asked and you got an honest answer. I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore, but I've found that my posts are needed.


You might not believe in it but I am sure the majority of NTs certainly do and would not hesitate to abort an autistic baby. No one wants their kid to be an outsider in the mild cases of autism and they really don't want a screaming monster of a child in the lower functioning cases of autism. So they would not hesitate to cut the child from the womb without even a little bit of regret.

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Where is this discrimination, this plotting and these eradication plans in the REAL WORLD?


I have had a co-worker in at one of my many jobs abort a child because the doctors said there was a strong chance that the child would have down syndrome. When we were talking about it in the break room everyone was pro get rid of the brat if it is going to grow up to be a ret*d. All they talked about was the kid's future quality of life and how the parents and society would be better off without the "little ret*d'. I am sure once they are able to detect autism while the baby is still in the womb future autistic babies will be laying dead in waste buckets next to the horribly deformed and downsyndrome babies that they are able to detect now. It is going to happen just you wait and see. I heard it also exceptable to abort if the child has a form a dwarfism. In India and China they abort a child if it is healthy but the only thing wrong with it is that is born female.


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10 Nov 2011, 12:40 am

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If I was to have a child and they identified a problem such as autism and there was a choice between that and normal, I'd choose normal. If it was up to me.


hmmm this answer goes against what youve been preaching all this time


I don't really see how it does.



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10 Nov 2011, 12:51 am

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Where is this discrimination, this plotting and these eradication plans in the REAL WORLD?


I have had a co-worker in at one of my many jobs abort a child because the doctors said there was a strong chance that the child would have down syndrome. When we were talking about it in the break room everyone was pro get rid of the brat if it is going to grow up to be a ret*d. All they talked about was the kid's future quality of life and how the parents and society would be better off without the "little ret*d'. I am sure once they are able to detect autism while the baby is still in the womb future autistic babies will be laying dead in waste buckets next to the horribly deformed and downsyndrome babies that they are able to detect now. It is going to happen just you wait and see. I heard it also exceptable to abort if the child has a form a dwarfism. In India and China they abort a child if it is healthy but the only thing wrong with it is that is born female.


China's not really a good example. They're in a league of their own.

It makes sense to abort problem children. It's a commonly held belief that these people will have a lower quality of life. They are also usually a significant drain on time and resources. Finally, most people look down on them, especially if they don't know any first hand. They are inferior and the condition is always viewed as a tragedy rather than a blessing. Normal children are preferable for obvious reasons. Whether it's right or wrong is subjective.