What if we're just ret*d?

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I was thinking, why should burger-flipping be a sh*t job? Things like that are necessary, and the people who do them should be paid decently and have a good work environment, like anybody should. Sure, there's nothing to prevent the fact that you have to stand in a hot kitchen and make food for people; but there's no call to go making you work long hours or yanking half your hours when you need the money, or letting customers chew on you whenever they like, or forcing you to stand up all the time without a shock-absorbing mat or the chance to sit down occasionally. And you should be paid enough to live on. For that, I'll pay a dollar more per burger. The burger-flippers of the world deserve a decent working environment, too.

Well true, however i would not classify fast food burgers as the type that take very much skill nor are they very good. But I agree one could be very skilled at a non-intellectual ability and that's certainly not inferior to an intellectual ability.

Yeah that is kind of what I was getting at....I don't mean I think it should be a sh*t job, people who work such jobs should be paid a living wage. I know I couldn't do it.

Let x be a person with some disabilities.
Statement 1: All living things want to survive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-preservation
Statement 2: x is a living thing.
Result 1: Therefore, x wants to survive.

Statement 3: Unhappiness causes a reduction in skills.
Statement 4: Severe unhappiness leads to depression.
Statement 5: Depression is a spectrum. http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/n ... ller3.html
Statement 6: There is a positive correlation between level of depression and reduction in skills. http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ccp/55/1/49/
Result 2: Therefore, there is a positive feedback. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback

Statement 7: In most severe cases of depression, people wants to die.
Statement 8: Lack of skills makes x unhappy.
Statement 9: Other variables are held constant: x will be even unhappier and x will end up with the most severe depression case due to the Result 2.
Result 3: Therefore, x will want to die.

Statement 10: Result 1 contradicts with the Result 3.
Result 4: Therefore, being unhappy about some disability or lack of talent in something is not logical.

Maybe, but maybe it's only that people perceive us as ret*d. It reminds me of my -- and I'm sure everyone else's -- high school. There are cool people and uncool people. And the cool people decide which is which. We are perceived as "uncool/ret*d" due to some preconceived idea of social behavior, then through self-fulfilling prophecy we begin to believe ourselves as such, and that gives the NT/cool people the right to categorize us. The thing is to just not let people think of us in that way. Fight the stereotype whenever possible. I know that is easier said than done in some cases, but every little bit helps.

Well I am obviously not ret*d.

Are you sure about that ? (listen to them )

most of us here

And Autism tv does ?

Things considered "illogical" according to some premises, actually occur and must have explanations. Other forces have to be considered. Wanting to survive doesn't necessarily lead to survival and satisfaction of that want. Risks exist in nature, and individuals choose to incur some of those risks, as some risky actions could lead to things associated with survival. Lack of unhappiness will not increase chances of survival. Some who are unhappy may be motivated by instincts due to that unhappiness to do things to change their situation to make it better, which could help survival. It doesn't matter if chances to get what they want are realistic, as the workings of the mind and its survival instinct aren't changed due to conscious knowledge. Even then, there could be chances that behavior motivated by unhappiness could lead to something that would get them the skills they want. I don't know of the validity of the claim of losing skills due to unhappiness in a positive feedback cycle, but wanting to live doesn't cause individuals to avoid all scenarios that have marginal risks to survival.

I don't consider being on the spectrum as being "ret*d." Numerous people on the spectrum are very talented in their special interests. Some think that Albert Einstein and Bill Gate were on the spectrum. Just as with any other person, those of us on the spectrum are talented in some areas, while we struggle in others. Social interaction is usually weaker for those on the spectrum, but that doesn't mean that we can't be successful. Some people on the spectrum find jobs in their field of special interest and end up being very successful. If you accept that you can never compete with others, you will never be able to because you are giving up on yourself. If you believe that you can utilize your talents, go for it! You might be way ahead of others with your talents.

OK......you're saying Aspies can be as bad as NTs in those ways, which is probably correct. And I have been suggesting they aren't, which is probably not correct. I was being a bit colourful before.......exaggeration to achieve emphasis, high horse, and all that. Not very Aspie of me.

Interesting......I just boned up about EI and it's apparently fraught with problems......its importance is said to be overstated in commercial circles (why does this not surprise me?), and the tests are said to be measuring something else.

Until now I had no problem with the term......to me it just means the ablity to gather emotional info about people and to use it in an intelligent way - rather like military intelligence. I don't see much distinction between poor EI, mind-blindness, alexithymia, poor social imagination and poor social intelligence.

Were not ret*d our though process is just unbalanced for example I am proficient at Science and borderline savant skilled at acquiring foreign languages however I suck at math and below mediocre at best in that regard.Lack of ability to multi task as well so I can be a genious in certain areas while lacking skills and completely idiotic in other areas. That is just how it is.

Explain.

Of course the Aspies rush straight for official diagnostic conceptions/criteria/etc.

Here's a tip. When used in a colloquial sense, the word "ret*d" carries connotations that stretch far beyond IQ less than 70.

So, yeah, you're/we're ret*d. Regardless of IQ. The expression "smart ret*d" is still the easiest way to convey the nature of AS in two words or less.