do you get upset when people lie about their motives?

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Why stop there? Why not go ahead and say kindness is a concept too and thus not real? And since kindness is a virtue, virtues should not be real either...



The 'kind' thing to do for me would be to not let them harm themselves.

While your line of thinking is not without merit, it occurs to me that you might be taking it too far.

What if the reward pathways were not triggered in an individual or if such triggering was not perceived by the individual - would such an individual's "virtuous" actions be really 'virtuous'?



The problem with this is that it equates the most rapacious and evil acts known to man with something like breathing air or drinking water since, well, they are both selfish. I find that jarring to say the least.

Can you explain what you wrote here a little more clearly? What is this "logic" you are talking about here?

Of course those things are concepts and not real. I had no interest in listing all of the conceptual labels.

There is a clear difference in my line of thinking. It lacks an emotional connection, and more importantly an intuition that would tell me exactly what point in the analogy would be "too far".

I didn't write out that example in order to get approval from the masses. I wrote it because it's functionally accurate. Emotion and intuition have no place in logic, other than to contaminate the logic in such a way that it can then be manipulated to serve identity.


I think more and more people are starting to realize that when their intuition tells them something is good or bad, that the decision was actually made by the hive mind, and not a result of the use of their own conscious reasoning/deduction ability.
Still, there are even more people that stand by their intuitive feeling of what is "right", and simply use their reasoning ability to rationalize their feeling.

"Logic" is a relationship (interaction) between sets of data that allows accurate predictions to be made.

A collection of ordered logic (conditionals) that functions as a system is an algorithm.

"Conditional" = If X is true, then Y is true.

An algorithm is a "model" of a process that applies logic operations to data and gives predictable results.

A mathematical operation is a bit of logic.

A physics equation uses several bits of logic, and acts as an algorithm to produce a result that allows us to predict a future observation in the real world.

If a physics equation uses a variable that calls for a quantified value of mass in specific units like "pounds" of mass, BUT if instead you enter in data representing British currency "pounds",
then the equation is going to produce garbage that does not allow accurate predictions of the real world. The algorithm was based on real relationships between specific types of units. If you mix the units, then the logic is no longer useful for solving problems.

Using a quantity of British currency instead of using a quantity of mass is very similar to using multi-layered abstractions (imagined concept) instead of using first or second level concepts that are based on real things.

You may think that multi-layered abstractions could be used if only the logical steps in the equation were adjusted to account for the different units. This doesn't work because these types of abstractions cannot be measured consistently, if at all. When something exists only as a shared belief inside human brains, then its defining boundaries are extremely volatile. Defining boundaries or ways to measure them may change by the minute. This is the nature of the human imagination. This is not compatible with physics.

Most people are using logic contaminated with mostly garbage, which results in creating more problems instead of solving problems. This is a self-supporting process which the hive mind has assimilated.

People in certain professions such as engineer, or computer programmer run into this situation I have described on a regular basis. Most people do not, and remain unaware.

You didn't ask this, but an individuals identity is also a set of algorithms.
Where the algorithm of the physics equation may ask "how much mass is the object in question?", the identity software may ask "can this object make me feel good emotionally?".

When everything is filtered through identity software, the results will be many layers removed from anything in the real world. This software is self-referencing, self-supporting, and self-serving, and it operates entirely within the imagination with the largest part of it being in the subconscious.