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14 Sep 2014, 12:26 pm

Charloz wrote:

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I think you're saying you know you're being prejudiced and are considering whether to be more accepting. That's great! Because, I see in your profile you have ASD and internalizing prejudice against oneself is very painful.

It's complicated... it really is.

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I did want to correct one thing, though. High functioning people can flap. I don't recall seeing adult males but I do sometimes, and I have seen, rarely, a few other women as well.

I wasn't aware of that. I thought it was a tick connected to the lower functioning autistics, and I always thought that to be higher functioning meant people would be unable to tell something was 'off' at first glance, leading to problems in communication later on.

I don't think people can tell at first glance what, but I suspect they sense a difference. This is something I try not to think about, as I've no control over subtle first impressions. I doubt ASD is the first thing that comes to their minds, though. And I don't really, inside, want to see myself as different. I see myself as me. A person. With thoughts and feelings and wishes no different than what I imagine anyone else may think and feel and dream. Just expressing it is maybe harder and some things get me confused. And I think I'm overwhelmed more than average. But that doesn't change who or what I am to me. Even if I know others may not see me the same way I do.

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15 Sep 2014, 12:39 pm

pensieve wrote:

Damn. I was looking for an argument.

OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.

Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.

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15 Sep 2014, 4:57 pm

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I don't mind to make some distinction between people with Asperger's and people with other (more low functioning) forms of autism. But that's exactly the point... at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, AS is still on the spectrum. On the AUTISTIC spectrum. It's a broad spectrum and even if you look at different people with AS you will see huge individual differences from person to person.

Now as far as classic autism is concerned, I do not wish to be lumped together with those who are significantly lower functioning then myself. I may not be your average typical guy but when people hear the word "autism" oftentimes negative images come to mind of people who cannot communicate at all, who flap their hands around, who are robotic or lacking empathy... stuff they've seen in movies and TV documentaries, basically. I would like to differentiate the two, at least to some degree, because I do belong to the group that is somewhat more functional.

Eh? The group 'which is somewhat more functional'?? Why can't we accept that this is more complex than a simple one dimensional spectrum? To me there is no hard and fast rule which says "AS is on this end of the spectrum and classic autism is on the other end". I don't think you can differentiate the two in this way - to do so is hugely oversimplistic and, I suspect, a little insulting. I have a classic autism diagnosis; I had delayed speech in my early years. I have good university degrees and have been in full time employment for the last 25 years. It does annoy me slightly when people wish to make a distinction based on 'function' - whaever that means...

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15 Sep 2014, 5:40 pm

sonofghandi wrote:

pensieve wrote:

Damn. I was looking for an argument.

OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.

Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.

Nice!

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15 Sep 2014, 5:44 pm

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People with Autism tend to have poor communication skills

People with Aspergers tend to have poor communication skills

People with Autism tend to have poor eye contact

People with Aspergers tend to have poor eye contact

People with Autism tend to have trouble making friends and forming relationships

People with Aspergers tend to have trouble making friends and forming relationships

People with Autism tend to have an obsession or special interest

People with Aspergers tend to have an obsession or special interest

People with Autism are prone to having sensitivity issues

People with Aspergers are prone to having sensitivity issues

People with Autism are likely to engage in self stimulating behaviour

People with Aspergers are likely to engage in self stimulating behaviour

It is quite obvious from my post above that Aspergers Syndrome and Autism are totally separate conditions how anybody could think they are linked is a mystery to me. :roll:

wow i see nothing to be different. if they are different, where is the difference? but i get your sarcasm.

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15 Sep 2014, 8:54 pm

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Oh, Sarcasm, I see.

It's ironic, because people on the autism spectrum often have a hard time interpreting sarcasm. I have trouble with it sometimes, but I can definitely give it out. I guess I'm not the only sarcastic aspie out there.

The OP could have tacked this on to the end of the original post:

"Autistics have trouble understanding sarcasm"

"Aspies have trouble understanding sarcasm".

Its one more similarity between the two groups, and it would have been a humorous way to clue the largely autistic readership that what was written above was itsself an example of sarcasm.

I agree, that would have been great for those of us on here that have trouble interpreting it.

I remember when I read the original post, I got that there was a message about how autism and Aspergers are really the same thing, and how dumb it is that people keep insisting that the two are different disorders.

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15 Sep 2014, 9:17 pm

sonofghandi wrote:

pensieve wrote:

Damn. I was looking for an argument.

OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.

Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.

LOL!!

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15 Sep 2014, 9:20 pm

Charloz wrote:

Waterfalls wrote:

It's complicated... it really is.

Waterfalls wrote:

I did want to correct one thing, though. High functioning people can flap. I don't recall seeing adult males but I do sometimes, and I have seen, rarely, a few other women as well.

Charloz, hand flapping is a stim just like any other. I don't hand flap but I rock and do many other stims and I am very high functioning.

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16 Sep 2014, 6:56 pm

i just got the sarcasm! i completely agree, during my assessments the line was very blurred and my results were very close to that of someone on a lower end of the spectrum, but because i can adjust my behaviours i was diagnosed as a very very Mild ASD, (( if aspergers was still on the DSM it would be AS but now its changed,))

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16 Sep 2014, 7:02 pm

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You know what is so brilliant about that? I am very high functioning yet because of my Aspie issues, I had to drop out of university so I never got my degree and for 26 years I tried to work and again, because of my Aspie issues, even though I am extremely high functioning, I have never been successful in being able to keep a job or live completely independently. So there you go. All this LFA/HFA stuff, really, " I don't think it means what you think it means!" (Win a prize if you know what movie I borrowed that line from!)

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17 Sep 2014, 6:52 am

skibum wrote:

" I don't think it means what you think it means!" (Win a prize if you know what movie I borrowed that line from!)

Should it spoken with the accent of a Spaniard while speaking to a Cicilian?

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17 Sep 2014, 8:05 am

sonofghandi wrote:

skibum wrote:

" I don't think it means what you think it means!" (Win a prize if you know what movie I borrowed that line from!)

Should it spoken with the accent of a Spaniard while speaking to a Cicilian?

You win!!

We LOVE that movie!

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17 Sep 2014, 4:15 pm

skibum wrote:

So there you go. All this LFA/HFA stuff, really, " I don't think it means what you think it means!"

Well said, skibum - I completely agree! Let's just try and enjoy the diversity of everyone "on the spectrum" and recognise that it will always be far too complicated to categorise in any remotely satisfactory way!

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17 Sep 2014, 4:42 pm

skibum wrote:

All this LFA/HFA stuff, really, " I don't think it means what you think it means!"

What I wonder for a while is:
LFA means low functioning autism which is defined by being autistic plus an intellectual disability, HFA means high functioning autism which is defined by being autistic plus no intellectual disability or absence of intellectual disability.
Are non autistic people who have an intellectual disability defined as low functioning neurotypical?
Or non autistic people without an intellectual disability defined as high functioning neurotypical?
I never heard of this, but neurotypicals do not refer to them as neurotypicals as well, as far as I know the term is coined in the autistic community,
as autistic was coined in the non autistic world.
The term low functioning is a protection as it defines that low functioning autistics have special needs to be met,
but sometimes it sounds a kind of dehumanizing,
where it is forgotten that the low functioning autistic person in the first place is a person.
Sometimes I really hate labels.
Though my own lables give me pronounced support.

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17 Sep 2014, 4:56 pm

Eloa wrote:

The term low functioning is a protection as it defines that low functioning autistics have special needs to be met,
but sometimes it sounds a kind of dehumanizing,
where it is forgotten that the low functioning autistic person in the first place is a person.
Sometimes I really hate labels.
Though my own lables give me pronounced support.

Eloa. I think you are right. When people say someone is 'low functioning' it might mean there is something which that person needs support with. But what many people who read the label LFA (or in my view also anyone who is autistic but "non Aspergers") miss is all the other things, abilities and qualities that the person has. People are too quick to try and put an easy "black and white" interpretation on things and it annoys me too.

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17 Sep 2014, 5:24 pm

And sometimes HFA's need support too but people won't tend to realize that because they are labelled HFA.

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