Is everyone on the spectrum "disabled"?

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03 Jun 2016, 1:37 pm

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Oh ok, I understand you now. Thanks for clarifying. :D I don't always understand when people are being sarcastic. :D


It's alright ;) Glad to know then. :lol:


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03 Jun 2016, 1:40 pm

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Oh ok, I understand you now. Thanks for clarifying. :D I don't always understand when people are being sarcastic. :D


It's alright ;) Glad to know then. :lol:
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Missing instincts and low sync rate with the majority doesn't disable me, it just puts me a 'Kick me' sign on my back... Except in my case, it's a 'Schmuck Bait' than an invitation. :twisted: :wink: It's like having hypersensitivity without sensory overload or sensory aids or any coping mechanism.

Oh geez- that's me! :lol: People loove to take advantage- and I always "get it" just a wee bit too late. Makes great target practice for sexual predators/asshole-type-people.
And it's always like- ah, sh*t why didn't I see that coming??? oh, so obvious in hindsight after lots of reflection/dissection. :roll:



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03 Jun 2016, 4:21 pm

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Are there other ways to define these terms?

wikipedia wrote:
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physical or mental attributes that some institutions, particularly medicine, view as needing to be fixed (the medical model);



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03 Jun 2016, 4:23 pm

it may refer to limitations on participation in social life imposed on people by the constraints of an ableist society (the social model)



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03 Jun 2016, 4:25 pm

"or the term may serve to name a social identity claimed by people with disabilities in order to mark their shared goals and politics."



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03 Jun 2016, 4:26 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability
Sorry about the number of my consecutive posts above, CloudCrap wouldn't let me do it any other way.

As for a definition of being on the (autistic) spectrum, I think I prefer a wider definition than the "diagnosed" one you referred to, because diagnosticians have been known to withhold the diagnosis when the client isn't actually suffering from the condition, which to my mind is like saying somebody doesn't have a broken leg as long as they happen to own a pair of crutches.



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03 Jun 2016, 5:15 pm

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Depends on how you define being "on the spectrum" and being "disabled". If by being on the spectrum you mean "is diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder" and by disabled you mean "the condition interferes with functioning in some way", than yes, otherwise, probably not.
Are there other ways to define these terms?


Yes.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was really asking. Please help me understand.


I wasn't assuming you were being sarcastic, I just figured Digilogic's explanation sufficed, as that is one other way to define autism spectrum. Another way to define disability is unable to work due to a medical condition, and another is being unable to do some function most people can do like see or walk.


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03 Jun 2016, 5:38 pm

Disability can also mean it limits what you can do. Think of the spoon theory. Yes you can do anything but there are limits for how much you can do. Disability can also mean one has to worker harder than most to do it. But yet it boggles my mind how some things out there are not considered a disability such as below average intelligence (borderline ret*d) because those people have to work harder than everyone else.

But yet I don't really consider wearing glasses as a disability or using hearing aides to hear normal unless you took those away and forbid them from using them or if they couldn't afford those things.


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03 Jun 2016, 6:09 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability
Sorry about the number of my consecutive posts above, CloudCrap wouldn't let me do it any other way.

As for a definition of being on the (autistic) spectrum, I think I prefer a wider definition than the "diagnosed" one you referred to, because diagnosticians have been known to withhold the diagnosis when the client isn't actually suffering from the condition, which to my mind is like saying somebody doesn't have a broken leg as long as they happen to own a pair of crutches.


For me that has to be the post of the day. Love it :)



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03 Jun 2016, 6:17 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
skibum wrote:
Are there other ways to define these terms?

wikipedia wrote:
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physical or mental attributes that some institutions, particularly medicine, view as needing to be fixed (the medical model);
Oh, yes, I had not thought of that. Thank you.


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03 Jun 2016, 6:22 pm

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Depends on how you define being "on the spectrum" and being "disabled". If by being on the spectrum you mean "is diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder" and by disabled you mean "the condition interferes with functioning in some way", than yes, otherwise, probably not.
Are there other ways to define these terms?


Yes.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was really asking. Please help me understand.


I wasn't assuming you were being sarcastic, I just figured Digilogic's explanation sufficed, as that is one other way to define autism spectrum. Another way to define disability is unable to work due to a medical condition, and another is being unable to do some function most people can do like see or walk.
Thank you. I must not have registered Digilogic's explanation. Sometimes even if I read something, I don't always register it. Thank you for this post. :D


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03 Jun 2016, 6:24 pm

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability
Sorry about the number of my consecutive posts above, CloudCrap wouldn't let me do it any other way.

As for a definition of being on the (autistic) spectrum, I think I prefer a wider definition than the "diagnosed" one you referred to, because diagnosticians have been known to withhold the diagnosis when the client isn't actually suffering from the condition, which to my mind is like saying somebody doesn't have a broken leg as long as they happen to own a pair of crutches.
I see what you mean. Thank you. That cloudcrap is so annoying.


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03 Jun 2016, 6:58 pm

I find this whole topic troubling because of lack of context.

In the world of theory and "games" (which, for purposes of this discussion, I define as consensual social activities governed by written rules, like math, science, law, tennis, Monopoly, football), I am extremely able. However, in the worlds where either consent, written rules, or both are absent, I suck because I often proceed from different assumptions than "neurotypicals."

My recent diagnosis has illuminated the fact of these different assumptions, and so permits me more successfully to pursue life activities where consent and written rules are absent.

But I still don't understand why the literal, rule-and-consent-respecting mindset is considered the disability, as opposed to the mindset that views rules and consent as mere suggestions.



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03 Jun 2016, 7:07 pm

I can only speak for myself, but for me I feel disabled because of how my body responds to things and those responses are directly from my Autism. Like how my body responds to stimuli, I am actually, literally impaired because of that. The social aspect is difficult and I can have difficulty with it, but the disabling part of the social aspect for me is how my body physically responds to the physical presence of people. That actually becomes disabling for me. I am also impaired because I have very strong issues with executive function and things like dyslexia as well. And my emotional retardation can cause me to be impaired at times as well. So it is a combination of things for me that affect me every single day.


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04 Jun 2016, 1:02 am

Thanks, skibum and B19 for your praise. I got one past the aforementioned goalie at last. :mrgreen: CloudCrap is angry with me now and flatly refuses to let me include the quotes that would make plain what I'm thanking you for, at least not without the capcha thing that probably wouldn't let me through anyway. Luckily you're very likely bright enough not to need my customary attempt at hyper-clarity. 8)