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CockneyRebel
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02 Sep 2007, 4:22 pm

I'm not diseased, I'm different!



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02 Sep 2007, 5:16 pm

If I had parents telling me to "just control" something I didn't understand, I'd go off on them, too. Why is it that when we're trying to get our emotions under control, some dingbat wants to come over and talk and won't go away until we explode on them? Respect is a two-way street, so respect Alex's need to focus inward without distraction.

By the way, neither Dr. Phil nor his expert answered an important question: Which parent has AS? Or do they both have it? Sometimes AS parents need coaching to properly interact with their children. Part of Alex's problem is definitely Maw and Paw, but what's the dynamic?

The show is from January 17, 2006.


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02 Sep 2007, 6:55 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I'm not diseased, I'm different!


I agree with you!

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02 Sep 2007, 7:20 pm

Ah, Dr Phil is kinda CUTE...y'know, the way he always brings on his tiny little adoring wifey Robin (hey, I would adore him TOO if he paid for me to have that much nip/tuck and designer clothing :D ).

Taking Dr Phill seriously is like taking "South Park" seriously, or the Simpsons...or maybe Kermit the Frog?

Intellectually, I always preferred Jerry Springer ANYWAY...

Still, some of us SHOULD probably mail good ole Dr Phil and point out the error of his ways?

Yes? Man can't know what he hasn't learned...

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02 Sep 2007, 7:41 pm

mechanima wrote:
Intellectually, I always preferred Jerry Springer ANYWAY...


WHAT THE #$%^&*()_)(*&^%$#@$%^&*()(*&^%$#@#$%^&*()!?!?!?!?

You have GOT to be kidding!! !! !! !! !



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02 Sep 2007, 7:52 pm

2ukenkerl,

It's still a disease by your definition. I don't see why there's such a negative connotation attached to the word. I suppose since it's a development disorder one doesn't know what it's like to be "normal"; much like how a person who's born blind doesn't know any different.

RE: "genius" writer,

A writer need not lock him or herself away in their room to write; writers can indeed be "normal" in their ability to achieve socially ("genius" is such a subjective thing; I'm a "genius" for example, and I laugh at the absurdity of that). People tend to confuse "profession" with disorder, which is erroneous.



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02 Sep 2007, 7:52 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
You have GOT to be kidding!! !! !! !! !


Why?

I used LOVE that show, sit back and watch 'em all getting "down and NT" till the bald guy pulled 'em apart...

It was NEAT... :lol:

Didn't they pull the plug after one couple went home and REALLY finished the job?

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02 Sep 2007, 9:27 pm

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A disease has a distinct and obvious cause that one can test and achieve highly reliable results for.


Not really, there's many diseases where there's only a verifiable effect with no cause evident.


"Many" is a "weasel word". Qualify that in a quantitative manner. Give us some perspective here and educate us. By the way there is no verifiable test for disorders, hence the difference of terms.


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02 Sep 2007, 9:30 pm

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Dr. Phil is a moron. He has no clue what he's talking about and he's the LAST person I'd take any advice from. The only people that trust him seem to be ret*ds.


I agree... Dr Phil is a world class douchebag... i feel bad for the people that get sucked into going on his show, just so he can humiliate them in front of an audience...



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02 Sep 2007, 9:33 pm

My mom is one of those "if Dr.Phil says its right then it must be right" people, like she is with other things...
I mean, he gets his lines from a script for f***s sake, none of its real anyway. Its SO obvious sometimes.



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02 Sep 2007, 9:51 pm

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"Many" is a "weasel word". Qualify that in a quantitative manner. Give us some perspective here and educate us. By the way there is no verifiable test for disorders, hence the difference of terms.


Multiple sclerosis for example ("many" other neurological conditions don’t have a known cause -- people hypothesize, but that’s all). Autistic disorder has a known test that'll pick it up (brain imaging), a similar test will pick up multiple sclerosis; there's your refutation.



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02 Sep 2007, 9:53 pm

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In the part where they're in the studio, Dr. Phil calls it a "disease" at one point.


That's ok. Some people think Dr. Phil is a disease. :twisted:


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02 Sep 2007, 10:33 pm

If anybody here gives a s**t about Dr. Phil, please PM me.



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02 Sep 2007, 11:23 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
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"Many" is a "weasel word". Qualify that in a quantitative manner. Give us some perspective here and educate us. By the way there is no verifiable test for disorders, hence the difference of terms.


Multiple sclerosis for example ("many" other neurological conditions don’t have a known cause -- people hypothesize, but that’s all). Autistic disorder has a known test that'll pick it up (brain imaging), a similar test will pick up multiple sclerosis; there's your refutation.


From the brain spec people: " At this time, there is no single diagnostic test that can conclusively prove a child has an autism spectrum disorder".
http://www.brainmattersinc.com/ Was there some other test you were thinking of for the Autistic spectrum? It would seem strange that one one test could pick up AS anyways since those with the disorder appear not to be a homogeneous group.


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03 Sep 2007, 12:04 am

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I was extremely disappointed when I read this. Surely the producers could have chosen parents with a positive attitude ............ oh no ........... that wouldn't have made good television :roll:



Maybe they couldn't find any parents with a positive attitude. At the autism meetings I have attended all the parents can talk about is how their child's autism has ruined their (the parents) lives.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Dr Phil show. Every show he airs is negative and all he ever does is insult people and talk to them like they were complete morons. My faves are the shows where he tells women to get serious about losing weight if they want to keep their husbands, yet Dr. Phil is a fatter than some of the guests he has put down for their weight. The guy is a loser, jerk so the only people that take him seriously are the undereducated. And explaining Aspergers for what it truly is to the undereducated morons of the country is futile.



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03 Sep 2007, 12:20 am

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Neuroanatomic and neuroimaging studies reveal abnormalities of cellular configurations in several regions of the brain, including the frontal and temporal lobes and the cerebellum. Enlargements of the amygdala and the hippocampus are common in childhood. Findings vary in each person.


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PET has demonstrated multiple deficits in individuals with autism. No single finding has characterized all people with autism. The results have varied from individual to individual.


PET Scanning in Autism Spectrum Disorders

It's a test, and it shows abnormalities and deficits in those with autistic disorder in the first link, and ASD in the second link -- however, like it says, the findings vary in significance to each individual. It cannot be "proven" because the "cause" isn't known, that's why things are put into categories like "disease" and "disorder" that have similar symptoms; multiple sclerosis and its damaged portions of the brain vary from individual to individual, like autistic disorder.