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09 Jan 2008, 3:15 am

I still find the Amish very interesting... I'm not saying they have more or less zero autism because they don't vaccinate (as people so often claim), but I'd love to know what it is about them that gives such a low rate of it... is it pure genetics, or is it their diet/environment/what?


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09 Jan 2008, 8:56 am

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I still find the Amish very interesting... I'm not saying they have more or less zero autism because they don't vaccinate (as people so often claim), but I'd love to know what it is about them that gives such a low rate of it... is it pure genetics, or is it their diet/environment/what?


My totally unsubstantiated speculation is that maybe people with AS that grow up Amish, because of their natural intellectual bent, are more likely to leave the Amish community then other people, thus depleting the Autism alleles in the Amish communities. :?:


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09 Jan 2008, 9:34 am

LeKiwi wrote:
I still find the Amish very interesting... I'm not saying they have more or less zero autism because they don't vaccinate (as people so often claim), but I'd love to know what it is about them that gives such a low rate of it... is it pure genetics, or is it their diet/environment/what?


Ahmish people DON'T COUNT! They DO have at least one disease that is pretty prevalent and is a bad development disease(Ironically, it tends to be one only THEY get because it is genetic), but they keep to their own, and tend to marry in the community. That means that they will generally be as they were. So new genes are introduced slowly. You can't just look and say The ahmish don't have STDs, or they don't have downs, or they don't get injured by powertools, etc... Such comparisons are just silly.



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09 Jan 2008, 5:06 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
I still find the Amish very interesting... I'm not saying they have more or less zero autism because they don't vaccinate (as people so often claim), but I'd love to know what it is about them that gives such a low rate of it... is it pure genetics, or is it their diet/environment/what?

The Amish recieve vaccinations just as much as anyone else. I live next to a large community of them, and vaccines are one of the few modern things they tolerate.



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10 Jan 2008, 1:47 pm

That's not what I've heard about true Amish...


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10 Jan 2008, 1:57 pm

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That's not what I've heard about true Amish...

True Amish don't use electrical products.

Vaccines aren't electric.


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10 Jan 2008, 2:05 pm

I thought they opposed all modern developments and lived off the earth? From what I've read they don't vaccinate, but rather use natural foods etc that they grow themselves and harvest the traditional way...

(I would assume they know the benefits of natural immune boosters, especially given echinacea is one of the potent of all and is endemic to the US?)


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10 Jan 2008, 2:37 pm

That was many years ago.

Some of them drive cars now...


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10 Jan 2008, 3:11 pm

So they aren't really Amish then.

Or there are different groups of Amish, some 'real' and others 'pseudo/adapted' ?


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10 Jan 2008, 3:22 pm

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So they aren't really Amish then.

Or there are different groups of Amish, some 'real' and others 'pseudo/adapted' ?

Many of them have modernized.

Some are more traditional than others, but that is a minority of them.


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10 Jan 2008, 3:32 pm

The Amish in my community (Lancaster County, PA) still use horse and buggies and don't have cars, electricity, or telephones. I'm pretty sure they don't vaccinate their children.

Here's an article on the Amish, vaccines, and autism:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/scienc ... _amish.htm

Here's the beginning of the article, click above to get the rest:

"NO AUTISM FOR UNVACCINATED AMISH?
The Age of Autism: 'A pretty big secret'

UPI | December 7, 2005
By DAN OLMSTED

It's a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill.

But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism.

"We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated.

The few autistic children Homefirst sees were vaccinated before their families became patients, Eisenstein said. "I can think of two or three autistic children who we've delivered their mother's next baby, and we aren't really totally taking care of that child -- they have special care needs. But they bring the younger children to us. I don't have a single case that I can think of that wasn't vaccinated."



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10 Jan 2008, 3:36 pm

That doesn't necessarily mean that not vaccinating = no autism though... and you need to take into consideration other factors. They also stay clear of electricity; could it be electro-sensitivity that leads to autism? Or a non-natural diet? Perhaps, if it's caused by something that disrupted the genes a generation or two ago in the wider environment/food chain/medicine, the Amish adults escaped it and so couldn't pass it on, thus the young ones don't have autism either? Maybe it's all of the above in conjunction with one another?

This is why it fascinates me; they don't have it, so what's the reason? They do a lot of things different than the majority of people, so it may not be vaccination, though I must admit it does make me wonder more about vaccination as a potential link.


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10 Jan 2008, 3:36 pm

I'm willing to bet the Amish have the genes associated with autism. They're probably just as genetically susceptible to the environmental factor (probably vaccines) that causes autism.



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10 Jan 2008, 3:43 pm

I mean environmental factors as in something in the wider environment - pesticides, crop sprays, car exhaust, toxic paints and cement and industrial fumes and smog, chemtrails, pylons, phone towers etc... things we have no control over our contact with.

I'd call 'vaccines' medical; things we do have control over (for the time being).


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10 Jan 2008, 3:53 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
That doesn't necessarily mean that not vaccinating = no autism though... and you need to take into consideration other factors. They also stay clear of electricity; could it be electro-sensitivity that leads to autism? Or a non-natural diet? Perhaps, if it's caused by something that disrupted the genes a generation or two ago in the wider environment/food chain/medicine, the Amish adults escaped it and so couldn't pass it on, thus the young ones don't have autism either? Maybe it's all of the above in conjunction with one another?

This is why it fascinates me; they don't have it, so what's the reason? They do a lot of things different than the majority of people, so it may not be vaccination, though I must admit it does make me wonder more about vaccination as a potential link.


The article I posted is from a group that takes care of non-Amish, unvaccinated children also and none of them have autism either according to the article. If the government was really interested in studying vaccines role in autism, they could easily conduct a large study where they randomly select one group to receive all the normal vaccines and the other group told to avoid taking any vaccines and then compare autism rates in the two groups.

I agree there are other explanations but I'd be surprised if the Amish didn't have the autism genes.



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10 Jan 2008, 6:11 pm

zendell wrote:
The Amish in my community (Lancaster County, PA) still use horse and buggies and don't have cars, electricity, or telephones. I'm pretty sure they don't vaccinate their children.

Here's an article on the Amish, vaccines, and autism:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/scienc ... _amish.htm


OK - so your sources are getting better and better - Infowars is going to set the new standards for unbiased and scientific information :lol:

Just a short quote from another "article" on that site:
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POLICE STATE III: TOTAL ENSLAVEMENT

The United States government, at all levels has fallen under the control of the desperately wicked New World Order clan
The events of Sept 11th mark the initiation of the final sick push of the illuminati to consolidate their one world order and transform earth into a prison planet.



No - the above is not a movie theme, it's an abstract of a report featured by infowars.
Honestly - don't you ever spend a second to check where you get your "facts" from ?

That's it - vaccinating people and that way making them autistic is clearly one of the steps of the transformation of earth into this prison planet. Ever thought of that, Zendell ? Might be worth to think about....