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11 Feb 2008, 9:03 pm

abram wrote:
i sometimes make these mistakes because i've only learned english for 3 years....so i make these and probably a lot more stupid mistakes but don't even notice them :(


Don't be sad. :( :(



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11 Feb 2008, 9:41 pm

i never spell anything right im shure :wink:


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11 Feb 2008, 9:47 pm

Then and than are the only ones I usually get screwed up on.


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11 Feb 2008, 10:34 pm

If everyone (speaking English) would just learn the contractions, it would help them a lot with this problem. There really aren't (are not) that many:

I'm = I am
they're = they are
you're = you are
we're = we are
it's = it is
who's = who is
don't = do not
aren't = are not
haven't = have not
I'll = I will
we'll = we will
would've = would have
should've = should have
(etc.)

If it is a contraction, it will have an apostrophe and could be rewritten as two words. If you're (you are) putting an apostrophe into a word that is not a contraction, then you might be making a mistake. If you aren't (are not) putting an apostrophe into a word that is a contraction, then you're (you are) making a mistake.



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11 Feb 2008, 10:48 pm

Catching mistakes like these has always been my strong point.. I just wish these kinds of skills were actually *employable*! ! Isn't that how it always goes for aspies, though? :roll:



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11 Feb 2008, 11:21 pm

LVBen wrote:
Why do so many people in this group mix up these words? Where are all of the aspies that pay attention to details?


it's not "this group" it's everyone...

just remember this sentence:

they're over there with their new toys.


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12 Feb 2008, 12:22 am

LVBen wrote:
Why do so many people in this group mix up these words? Where are all of the aspies that pay attention to details?


English has a back-asswords writing system in which words with an identical pronunciation are spelled completely different.
Their there they're = /ðeIr/
Than then = /ðɛn/ when unstressed
your you're = /ju:r/

Same pronunciation. Different spelling. Juggling the sheer rote memorization and baffling rules in English is a constant headache.

Please forward the rest of your grammatical complaints to:
twoshots
to receive a response of either 1)English orthography sucks, 2)The grammar book you probably learned didn't know a thing about natural language and was written by a linguistic idiot. Standard English = good Dialectical chauvinism = bad.

it's = it is
its = genitive "it"
but franks = pl. franks & frank's = genitive "frank"
WTF 8O

I mean really, standardizing the spelling is one thing, but English writing frequently has nothing to do with most modern dialects, and even less to do with many local dialects. I constantly make mistakes because I can't stand the asininity of it all. The fact that people are so concerned about spelling/speaking it "right" only reinforces a bazaar obsession with perpetuating an idiotic and time consuming system. It's just a way for people who think they know something to put down those who didn't pick it up, exactly like all other forms of dialectical chauvinism :evil:

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What about weather and whether?

Those two actually screwed me up for quite a while...

Also witch and which.


Ah! From that I could (if I remembered my dialect maps) draw certain conclusions about where you're not from. This is actually an instance in which the sound shifts of many dialects are inconsistent with a spelling that reflects many other dialects. "which" reflects the pronunciation /ʍIʧ/ pronounced roughly hwich, but the /ʍ/ sound has been lost in many dialects.

I have actually found the writing mistakes to be fascinating on this board. There is a certain person who actually used "th" to represent /v/. Sent my phoneticist senses tingling.

As for whether or not people with AS are any more likely to make these mistakes than anyone else, I do kind of doubt it, but I'm not sure.

twoshots - never missing a chance to bash the prestige versions of English = /IŋglIʃ/

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George Bernard Shaw - reminding you that English could practically spell the word fish "ghoti"


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