How come NTs don't accept us?

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Given how some societies work they could be all planning against each other and plotting and digging up dirt on each other-apparently one of my friends (the guy who told me about how weird family gatherings are) apparently knows some examples of why you don't give out TMI...they'll backstab you. Note this is SOME. Some might be interested...

Man his HS, some of his brothers' friends, etc seems to be a social experiment in international relations. LOL Realism



because there's more of them and therefore it's easier for them to surround you and force their will on you. Same happens to all minorities.



I don't know why; but I thought of Gundam Seed, when Lacus Clyne and the Three Ships Alliance all shooting in Jachin Due and trying to get ZAFT and OMNI to stop killing each other and keep humanity from going extinct by destroying the nukes and GENESIS system!

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NT's may not like us because our very existance challenges their core beliefs in what 'normal' really is. I mean, it could be that Aspies are the real 'normal' people, and that NT's are in power simply because they got here first (or did they?) and there are more of them (or are there?).

Also, it seems that human nature includes the trait where one person rejects another for being 'differently abled' - or whatever the current buzzphrase is for someone who functions better in contexts that NTs do poorly in.

Note how people label others with their most hateful epithets when those others simply disagree! How much worse it can be for those 'others' who not only disagree, but who surpass the NT's in both perception and performance.

Anyway, that's my Cr0.02...

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Warsie: less Anime, more Real World

Try talking to him, and maybe doing something else fun together that you both like.


I don't think it is just "NT's", I was on a site with mostly aspies and a schizophrenic, and things were the same...

And if you hate the thread, then get out of it and quit posting! You're just putting it at the top of the forum page!

Only the last paragraph was rambling about anime!

the rest of it was discussing international relations (realism vs idealism), how people are, and some of my friend's interesting stories.

I am getting to the point of not caring whether someone likes me or not, if they judge me for something that doesn't even affect them.. then f**** them.

Seconded.

Yeah, I've seen prejudice against NTs, too. It's not all on their side, though they do have the extra obstacle of not constantly being exposed to Aspies.

So is Soylent Green!

I think what Fnord said is pretty well right on the money. When you throw in things like aversions to sensory information that other people would find normal or even enjoyable; a lack of body language that many interpret as necessary to indicate interest or respect; a preference for things that NTs would find strange or boring over those things they find endlessly fascinating; and a host of other traits associated with spectrum disorders, it only compounds the already inherent fear and resentment towards that general category of those who don't fit in.

As for the specific situation in question - as other posters have said, if you don't want to do it, it's best to (politely, of course) decline the information. You don't need to give that detailed of an explanation, just say that though you like the person (some of the people?), you find the situation itself to be stressful. If they really press you, maybe turn the tables on them and ask them to do something you know will make them uncomfortable in a hypothetical fashion in order to illustrate your point. From how difficult you find social situations, it seems not worth the trouble, and I do agree that, if the friend continues to refuse to accept your preferences as valid and refrain from pressuring you, even after you've made yourself and your likes/dislikes clear, that does hint at a certain amount of disrespect on his part.

Somewhat tangental, but re: slowmutant's comment about "less anime, more real world" - a lot of what I've learned about social interaction has been from fiction, including but not limited to anime, watching others interact in a meaningful way that eventually leads to a conclusion rather than being in the fray trying to figure stuff out and constantly screwing up with no apparent purpose in mind. My most successful interactions with people I don't know very well have often been ones where I've emulated a "character type" or a certain person I've seen or read about that I think would fit the situation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses Japanese animation and other fictional works as a means of learning things about how people work in the "real world" that I wouldn't otherwise be easily able to grasp from having to observe it in real time.

Besides, what's with dismissing someone's entire post over a reference they made to something they enjoy? Seems like a way of ignoring someone's thoughts rather than having to answer to them.

you're not. Sailor Moon (and to a lesser extent, Tenchi Muyo!) taught me a LOT about that....well that and the internet about how people act in HS (Emos, Linkin Park, etc...)

Gundam Wing and Seed arguably too

Yeah Anime helped me...because when I was younger I couldn't STAND non-animated shows...looked weird and the like....didn't watch Bel-Air, or Clarissa Explains it All, or any of that back then....

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I'm giving NTs the same ammount of accepting they are giving me. none whatsoever.[/quote]

Ablomovs response - GOOD FOR YOU MATE! Well done. Give 'em s**t. Take no prisoners.

Here is the link to the story:

http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index ... ng?blog=53

from the article:

O'Keefe went on to say, "The deceased was smoking what appeared to be a marijuana cigarette which was still in his mouth as paramedics pulled him from the vehicle to render aid."

I have a feeling the toxcoligy report will confirm it.

Ablomovs response - GOOD FOR YOU MATE! Well done. Give 'em sh**. Take no prisoners.[/quote]

A totally counterproductive attitude. Taking the above advice, one has no right to whine and bellyache and boo-hoo about his lack of a social life.

My point still holds: You think smoking marijuana is directly related to a criminal performing a criminal act. You also ignored my other two points, and the message, which is that you are not a good judge of people's motivations.

In fact, now, I recall you once saying that NT's fear aspies. Let's add that to the list.

It's important to remember, that not many NT laypeople have heard of Aspergers, and even fewer still have any sort of working familiarity with it. Realistically, the "neurotypical" populous is more or less apathetic to any specific neurological condition (ASD or otherwise), as opposed to outright fearing or disliking someone because of them. An average person may fear or dislike a particular trait (for example, an aspie's focused knowledge may intimidate them) that is symptomatic of the condition, but there is no "AS vs. NT" war. In the big scheme of the neurological spectrum, those with AS aren't that different than NT's, and if they were, this forum wouldn't have a "not sure if I have it or not" option for your diagnostic status.

There is no war, no culture battle, and no plans of extermination - just the fairly common a**hole who has trouble coping with someone different and/or more intelligent. In which case, the advisable thing to do is to reciprocate and judge the individual, not the entire demographic of people that you have arbitrarily labeled "neurotypical;" to do so lowers you to the level of the very bullies that you speak of.

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