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13 Feb 2009, 3:22 pm

Lol I showed my husband the picture of the lady sitting wierd and he was like: 8O Holy crap you've found your alien people!

Actually I dont remember his exact words but they were something similar to that which made me laugh :lol:



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13 Feb 2009, 4:14 pm

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some people with ASD's can have lax joint and/or low muscle tone. I cannot stand easily without leaning against something and i was the kid in the class leaning on the desk with slumped shoulder and head resting on arms etc.


Yes, I'm the same. I find it uncomfortable in my skin. If I was to stand normal, it wouldn't feel right. I must do something, if possible leaning; if not, something else.

Samwise, the way you are sitting is how I often sit, in fact I am sitting nearly exactly like that right now! Uncanny...



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18 Jul 2009, 11:48 pm

I have always have bad posture and hunch over. I think it's mostly because I am tall and everything I need to reach with my hands is too low.


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19 Jul 2009, 12:32 am

My posture is HORRIBLE. People have always told me that i need to stand and sit up straighter. I usually have my head more forward and down than most people, hunched. Since i've been working i've had to stand up for long periods of time, and even that hasn't helped one bit. I think it's just gotten worse as i've grown up, too. I also tend to lean on things a lot, and sometimes when i have to stand in place i put my feet in odd positions. So, yeah.
And, people have, for my WHOLE LIFE, asked me "what's wrong?" or said "you need to smile more" when i'm not feeling bad at all. I used to get really annoyed with it as a kid, but now i think it's pretty funny. I don't completely lack facial expression... I laugh about things a lot when i find something funny(sometimes i get into a mood where i think everything is funny!), and if i really get talking about something i think is interesting then you can get some smiles out of me... but most of the time i just relax my face and don't think to use facial expressions. In school, if i started laughing at someone's joke, there would usually be someone around who would say "wow, she CAN smile!! !" And in Taekwondo class when i was little, the instructors gave me the ironic nickname "smiley" because of my usually flat facial expression. I've also had people ask what i was looking at when i was staring into space(at nothing in particular).



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19 Jul 2009, 12:42 am

ColdBlooded wrote:
My posture is HORRIBLE. People have always told me that i need to stand and sit up straighter. I usually have my head more forward and down than most people, hunched. Since i've been working i've had to stand up for long periods of time, and even that hasn't helped one bit. I think it's just gotten worse as i've grown up, too. I also tend to lean on things a lot, and sometimes when i have to stand in place i put my feet in odd positions. So, yeah.
And, people have, for my WHOLE LIFE, asked me "what's wrong?" or said "you need to smile more" when i'm not feeling bad at all. I used to get really annoyed with it as a kid, but now i think it's pretty funny. I don't completely lack facial expression... I laugh about things a lot when i find something funny(sometimes i get into a mood where i think everything is funny!), and if i really get talking about something i think is interesting then you can get some smiles out of me... but most of the time i just relax my face and don't think to use facial expressions. In school, if i started laughing at someone's joke, there would usually be someone around who would say "wow, she CAN smile!! !" And in Taekwondo class when i was little, the instructors gave me the ironic nickname "smiley" because of my usually flat facial expression. I've also had people ask what i was looking at when i was staring into space(at nothing in particular).


Teachers used to say to me 'your smile lights up a room' which I disagree with. I haven't really got a great smile. And if I smile while showing teeth it looks uneven.

Only the other day my mum told me to not hunch my shoulders. I used to get told that so much as a kid, and she's bringing it up again. So I told her 'you know why I have bad co-ordination and a strange gait'. Then she said I could at least stand up straight. What's the point? I'll just end up with the same posture.

When I was younger I used to shuffle my feet on the ground and lean my body way too forward when I ran. I had a very nice sister who constantly made fun of me for that.


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19 Jul 2009, 2:04 am

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Sometimes I notice I have an odd posture, and I've read this is a symptom of AS.
I looked at some photos of me in a play and noticed that I stand funny, and I wasn't aware of it (I'm looking at them now and thinking "I look riddiculous - do I really stand like that?").
Has anyone here been told they stand funny, or noticed that they do?

Also, a while ago, I was watching a documentary which mentioned a boy with an ASD, and they showed a picture of him, and his facial expression really strongly reminded me of a boy at my school who has AS. It made me wonder, is there an 'autistic facial expression'? Or maybe it's just a co-incidence about the boy at my school and the boy in the documentary....


when I was in college, my teachers would always ask if I understood what they were saying, because of my facial expressions. I also looked at a few photos and I stand slouched forward with my head hanging out infront of me. I look redicilous.



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19 Jul 2009, 2:16 am

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I have bad posture. For me, it is a result of being hypermobile. Apparently hypermobility is associated with AS, because we have vestibular and motor abnormalities, which affect things like posture, joint stability and awareness of body position. Or so I read in a guide to Asperger Syndrome, and it rang true for me. I'm clumsy and am often banging into things because I'm not fully aware of them and their distance from me. I find I either have a very bendy, floppy posture, or a very stiff posture, as I tense my muscles to try to compensate for the looseness of my joints. I spent many hours as a teen walking with a book on my head, to try to get a good posture, but it didn't work!

This guide to AS that I read also said that people with AS often will rest their head and other body parts on stable surfaces, because of poor muscle tone. I found that interesting, because I do this myself all the time. But I'd never heard before that it was a characteristic of AS, so I'm curious if others do this too. For instance, when I am standing I often turn my legs inward and make them cross around each other, so each leg supports the other. And when I am sitting, I like to be crouched so that my legs and body are all supporting each other. People often tell me I look like I'm in a very uncomfortable position, but I am actually very comfortable and would find their positions uncomfortable.
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this is an exact replica of my situation. i have lax joints and muslces and I also bang into things a lot - i clip corners and edges of things constantly. i also slump and slouch. I also note that no matter how much exercise i do, i still have a low muscle tone and tenseness - in the lower half of my body but not the upper half. I actually find standing still and upright to be hellish. and i was often criticised at sschool for not keeping still when upright. it was just awful To this day, i avoid places where I have to stand for great lengths of time. (I am the woman at the edge of the crowd, twisting her back or doing stretches into weird positions, or i just sit down on the floor cross legged and say "to heck with everyone," while others are listening intently AND standing for ages.

I might add that not evryone with AS has a flat facial affect. Some of us with AS have the opposite problem - an inability to regulate facial expression - so that the expressions are quite strange and overly pronounced. THis is my gig. and I am embarrassed by it. I can appear like a cartoon character. I have done some digital fimling for my psych and it has been really upsetting to watch how rubbery my face is. It is the opposite extreme of the flat facial affect situation. and yes, it happens to some people with AS.


I do believe that people with AS tend to have unusual body positions and facial expressions, and I believe this results from a combination of what is said above (which also applies to me in full, ate the age of 5 I was actually diagnosed by a professional with a whole spectrum of physical problems including poor muscle tone all over my body, lack of spatial awareness, etc) and a lack of awareness of what the body and face are doing.

Because AS people are so absorbed in their own world a lot of the time, then don't actually have an awareness of their physical movements and expressions (whereas non-AS people seem to have a constant subconscious/conscious awareness of these things). This is my theory. I found that when I actively focus on my facial and body muscles, I can school my posture and expression into something resembling normality (I think), but it requires active constant effort and cannot be maintained 24/7.

I've had friends (who have seen me walk normally when in a focussed state) see me walk in my strange natural way due to mental exhaustion and actually ask me why I'm walking funny, and if I'm ok. I also need to rest my head a lot, it seems too heavy for my neck to hold up sometimes (I read an article once which said that autistic brains are larger than normal - which might explain that). :lol:


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19 Jul 2009, 3:10 am

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I usually sit like this woman:
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The picture is from the back of the book Women From Another Planet. I was actually totally surprised to see someone else sitting like that because I really thought I was the only one. I've never paid much attention to how I walk, but I tend to stand awkwardly because it's more comfortable. And all my life people have annoyingly told me to "cheer up" when I was perfectly content so there's at least something wrong with my neutral look. And I do sometimes have my mouth open a little but I don't know for how long because whenever I notice it I stop doing it.


I sit like that too!! ! 8O I've never seen anyone else do that!
I also have been asked what's wrong when my face is neutral lol
I sit like that all the time!



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19 Jul 2009, 2:56 pm

capriwim wrote:
I have bad posture. For me, it is a result of being hypermobile. Apparently hypermobility is associated with AS, because we have vestibular and motor abnormalities, which affect things like posture, joint stability and awareness of body position. Or so I read in a guide to Asperger Syndrome, and it rang true for me. I'm clumsy and am often banging into things because I'm not fully aware of them and their distance from me. I find I either have a very bendy, floppy posture, or a very stiff posture, as I tense my muscles to try to compensate for the looseness of my joints. I spent many hours as a teen walking with a book on my head, to try to get a good posture, but it didn't work!

This guide to AS that I read also said that people with AS often will rest their head and other body parts on stable surfaces, because of poor muscle tone. I found that interesting, because I do this myself all the time. But I'd never heard before that it was a characteristic of AS, so I'm curious if others do this too. For instance, when I am standing I often turn my legs inward and make them cross around each other, so each leg supports the other. And when I am sitting, I like to be crouched so that my legs and body are all supporting each other. People often tell me I look like I'm in a very uncomfortable position, but I am actually very comfortable and would find their positions uncomfortable.
LOL, that is exactly me. I'm always scolded for leaning on things and I'm very limber. I have an odd way of sitting cross-legged, often called "sitting Indian-style" because it was a common sitting posture in many Native American cultures (not to be confused with the South Asian "lotus" posture, something I can't do.), that often surprises people.


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19 Jul 2009, 3:32 pm

I have mild scoliosis too.. it was 4 degrees when I was 16, I haven't gotten it checked since.. at 5 degrees they make you go get X-rays, and I didn't want to do that. :-P

I also sit cross-legged. Indian style or like that picture.. also "butterfly," with my knees out and the bottoms of my feet together. I'm fairly limber. Lol, I like sitting ways that make people wince to look at me. I'm not good at sitting in chairs. If I sit in a chair I constantly cross and uncross my legs, and switch them. And sitting in chairs hurts my back. I sit on the floor, or I sit on a chair attempt to arrange my legs as though I was sitting on the floor.

I slouch a bit (and also frequently keep my back straight and lean forward.. I stretch a lot, stretching can be rather addictive. I stopped for awhile, but then I started again.. it feels goood! And I always crack things.. in addition to the knuckles in my fingers, I also crack my ankles and my back and my neck) but I try to sit up. I was in marching band in high school so I learned good posture.

I stand on my toes a lot too.. Heh, I have an obsession with dance shoes. *sigh* I wish I could actually DANCE.



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19 Jul 2009, 3:55 pm

There are a number of things that I can relate to but never associated with being on the spectrum because I didn't know about it. I can't walk a straight line, I always veer off to the right. I am continually clipping the edges of things with my hip or my shoulder. I trip over things. I can't feel this and only see it if I look at a picture of myself but my head tilts to one side. It looks like I'm trying to be coy, but I guess the Herman Munster expression cancels that out. It feels unnatural to hold my head straight and I have to look in a mirror to do it. I used to have people ask me what was wrong or very aggressively say SMILE! to me. It stopped after SSRI's and I don't think I'm doing anything different. Maybe my eyes don't look so distant.



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19 Jul 2009, 4:09 pm

I don't believe I've ever had really bad posture, but I have been correcting my posture because I believe it looks better when I'm standing still or walking, it's also supposed to be better for your back. I do tend to have a facial expression I usually have though, it's not like most autistic facial expressions though, people usually interpret it as angry and serious, but I'm serious alot so yeah it happens, I'm not neccessarly angry when I have my usual expression though, sometimes I am, but when I'm really ticked it tends to show and it's not my usual expression.


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20 Jul 2009, 4:20 pm

mitharatowen wrote:
SamwiseGamgee wrote:
I usually sit like this woman:
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The picture is from the back of the book Women From Another Planet. I was actually totally surprised to see someone else sitting like that because I really thought I was the only one. I've never paid much attention to how I walk, but I tend to stand awkwardly because it's more comfortable. And all my life people have annoyingly told me to "cheer up" when I was perfectly content so there's at least something wrong with my neutral look. And I do sometimes have my mouth open a little but I don't know for how long because whenever I notice it I stop doing it.


I sit like that too!! ! 8O I've never seen anyone else do that!


Apart from the fact that I would have the foot of the 'upper' leg touching the floor, that's also almost identical to one of my sitting positions...

Both feet on the chair with knees up in front of me is another (I'm sitting like that now). Or one foot up and the other on the floor.

The doctor who diagnosed me wrote in his report that 'unusual' expressions often crossed my face. I've also been told I glare at people when I thought I was just looking at them with a calm, neutral expression.

I walk extremely fast and have a very long stride.



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20 Jul 2009, 4:27 pm

Hovis wrote:
mitharatowen wrote:
SamwiseGamgee wrote:
I usually sit like this woman:
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The picture is from the back of the book Women From Another Planet. I was actually totally surprised to see someone else sitting like that because I really thought I was the only one. I've never paid much attention to how I walk, but I tend to stand awkwardly because it's more comfortable. And all my life people have annoyingly told me to "cheer up" when I was perfectly content so there's at least something wrong with my neutral look. And I do sometimes have my mouth open a little but I don't know for how long because whenever I notice it I stop doing it.


I sit like that too!! ! 8O I've never seen anyone else do that!


Apart from the fact that I would have the foot of the 'upper' leg touching the floor, that's also almost identical to one of my sitting positions...

Both feet on the chair with knees up in front of me is another (I'm sitting like that now). Or one foot up and the other on the floor.

The doctor who diagnosed me wrote in his report that 'unusual' expressions often crossed my face. I've also been told I glare at people when I thought I was just looking at them with a calm, neutral expression.

I walk extremely fast and have a very long stride.

I often sit on one of my feet, sort of like this picture (but not quite). It drove my mother crazy growing up. She wanted both of my feet on the floor, but I just didn't find it as comfortable.

I also walk extremely fast. No one passes me as I cruise down busy streets.


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20 Jul 2009, 5:02 pm

A friend told me my head used to slightly incline to a side. Now I notice it too.



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20 Jul 2009, 7:34 pm

I have a feeling that my posture and facial expression tends to be a little odd, but I'm not sure.

Part of my problem is that I naturally am large-busted, and have been since I was 13. I know women supposedly "want" big breasts, but I'm short, and mine look out of place on my body. If I gain weight, that's where a lot of it goes.

One day recently, out of curiousity, I took a video of myself pottering around in the kitchen, to see what my posture looks like, because a picture of me showed me slouching. I was surprised how bad it was. So then I decided to video myself for a bit with my shoulders back. It felt very unnatural and strange, and I was sure it would look ridiculous. Actually, it looked normal.

It's just, if I'm walking down the street, and I hold my shoulders back, it feels so weird to me, and tires my shoulders out. And it feels like I'm making an effort to stick my bosom out, because it occupies so my of my peripheral (downward) vision. I don't WANT to have a constant awareness of my boobs, believe it or not. Ha ha! Apparently it doesn't look like that to other people, though. So, I need to make an effort to get into the habit of holding my shoulders back, so I'll get used to it. I was doing that for a few days, then lost focus.