HAVING AN AUTISTIC CHILD WRECKS YOUR LIFE!! by Carol Sarler

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22 Jan 2009, 6:07 pm

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Carol Sarler
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Sunday May 12, 2002

One of my first tasks in journalism took me to interview a chap whose
claim to fame was an IQ so high it couldn't have been measured on the
Richter scale; indeed, he became some premier cheese in Mensa and was
wheeled out as a promotional tool for the organisation.

The trouble was that the IQ was his only claim to fame: he worked
menially - in a bingo hall, as I recall - and had little success with
personal relationships because he was, frankly, odd. Not mad or bad,
just lacking in social ease or grace, as I had unkind fun in
demonstrating within the piece I wrote. Two days after my snitty lump
of prose was published, he killed himself. His note did not blame me
specifically; it just wailed his feeling that nobody, really,
understood him back there in his tormented, excluded isolation, alone
as he had been with the genius IQ that had bought him, in his whole
life, absolutely nothing.

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So is she saying that if one isn't a social butterfly, they're worthless as a human being? And she seems to just brush off the fact that this guy killed himself because she trashed him in an newspaper article. She seems to have zero conscience. A empathetic NT would not be able to live with the fact that they drove a guy to suicide. Most aspies couldn't, either. She seems to have no problem with it. It smells like sociopathology to me. If somebody isn't able to fit into her mold, they're better off dead. :roll:



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22 Jan 2009, 6:22 pm

It would appear that Carol Sarlor is well known for stirring a pot of poo. She has even been taken to court for it. Sadly she won and got away with her article being an 'opinion'. Never mind the damage she did in the process. Search her on google, there is plenty of nasty dirt that has been dished by her. But then that is her job! She gets away with it and gets paid..................some things just aint fair.

For my international cousins, the story below involves a very high profile politician who had an affair. The affair resulted in a daughter with special needs. The politican bailed out. It happened many years ago but was a very high profile story..................Make your own minds up though

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003 ... publishing

Sara Keays drops Observer libel claimguardian.co.uk, Sunday 5 October 2003 00.19 BST Article historySara Keays has dropped her libel claim against The Observer and has agreed to pay an undisclosed sum towards the newspaper's costs. Ms Keays sued The Observer, its editor Roger Alton, and Carol Sarler over a comment piece written by Ms Sarler in January 2002, following the television broadcast of Flora's Story, a documentary about Flora Keays, the child of Ms Keays and Lord Parkinson.
The newspaper argued that, having watched the documentary, Ms Sarler had expressed her own views about Ms Keays's motivation for participating in it and that the law provides protection for comment. In June this year, Mr Justice Eady made a ruling, in favour of the newspaper and Ms Sarler, that the piece could only be regarded as Ms Sarler's personal opinion and that no one reading it would be under the impression that she was making objectively verifiable allegations of fact against Ms Keays. He described Ms Sarler's article as 'par excellence' a comment piece that was labelled as such.

This is the first time Ms Keays has lost a libel action. She has sued a number of times in the past when false allegations have been made against her about her attitude to Lord Parkinson, and each time she has succeeded.



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22 Jan 2009, 7:27 pm

Isn't the Daily Mail a rag?



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22 Jan 2009, 7:36 pm

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Isn't the Daily Mail a rag?


It's entirely a "MUSLIM PAEDOPHILE UNDER YOUR CHILD'S BED"/"SIKHS IN SURREY—IS ANYWHERE STILL SAFE?" lark. Wouldn't use it for toilet paper (were its sheets 2-ply and soft).



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22 Jan 2009, 7:49 pm

Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
Life is too short to waste time listening to white noise


yep.



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22 Jan 2009, 8:16 pm

I read the article and found nothing offensive about it.

People will find demons where ever they choose to look for them.



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22 Jan 2009, 10:45 pm

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BellaDonna wrote:
That is beautiful and inspiring. You are an amazing woman.


:oops: Thank you so much. I mean every word. I feel honoured to be a part of their lives, I am humbled by my children, for they have let me in to their souls and allowed me to see who they really are, and in turn they have are discovering their own 'self'. They have taught me so much about myself, biggest learning curve of my life. Autism is beautiful, you just have to look a little while longer and deeper. Too many people give up too quick, but with perseverance, understanding and love ANYTHING can be achieved. Every child matters, NO exceptions. x


Thank you for your inspiration. God bless you and your children.



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22 Jan 2009, 10:57 pm

Is that to me or jelibean?



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23 Jan 2009, 12:18 am

She says that and she's not even a parent.

The upside is that there are websites dedicated to hating her.



23 Jan 2009, 2:29 am

I was a difficult child to raise but my mother will never admit it. She says all kids are hard and cost money. She says she learned how to be patient and I was fun to raise. She never understood why I was different but she still took her time to try and understand the way my brain works and why I do certain things. She always knew I had something she says and then I was finally diagnosed when I was 12.



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23 Jan 2009, 2:34 am

My mom said I was difficult to and she said she was scared she was going to kill me. :( I got beat just for answering back. Sometimes her partner would throw me across the room. I don't really remember much what happen because you blank it out but I remember covering myself up and she would just keep hitting me sometimes rip out my hair.



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29 Jan 2009, 6:19 pm

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I was a difficult child to raise


difficult pfft..

who doesn't like a challenge?

creative parenting.. now thats fun..


:) (who doesn't like the excuse of being a kid again? ) Who doesn't like building blocks :P



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29 Jan 2009, 6:48 pm

Why don't these parents with unruly children who are cutting them or pushing them down the grow a backbone? If you are soft, your children WILL push your boundaries, it's only human nature. It may be a meltdown and not truly deliberate but if a parent strikes back the child will learn through operant conditioning.



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29 Jan 2009, 7:09 pm

8O 8O STRIKE BACK! Pardon 8O Sorry but I am shocked.

Can we please remember here, CHILDREN learn from their parents. Also a high proportion of these children on the spectrum will be echolalic.....................they COPY their parents too. So who should we be looking at here, the parents or the children?

And 'if you are soft'? Your definition of soft please? Do you mean parents that give in quickly or those that don't use physical force to 'control' their children?
Maybe you mean we should soften up and be kinder? I AM IN FAVOUR OF THAT!!

My children don't need shouting at, yelling at, pointed at or threatened in any way..................there are far kinder more understanding ways you can use of helping a child learn social behaviour.

UNRULY CHILDREN? Are you making that statement broadly? Does it include neurotypicals?

And BOUNDARIES, aaaghhhh I hate that word. Boundaries are for BENDING, make them flexible and maybe they would be more effective? Make the boundaries RIGID and expect them to be broken.

Be kind to children, treat them with respect and they will reciprocate, shout at a child and they will shout back...............remember many COPY/MIMIC. If you don't want it back, don't dish it out in the first place.

Thank you.......................chill pill swallowed.



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29 Jan 2009, 7:13 pm

jelibean wrote:
8O 8O STRIKE BACK! Pardon 8O Sorry but I am shocked.

Can we please remember here, CHILDREN learn from their parents. Also a high proportion of these children on the spectrum will be echolalic.....................they COPY their parents too. So who should we be looking at here, the parents or the children?

And 'if you are soft'? Your definition of soft please? Do you mean parents that give in quickly or those that don't use physical force to 'control' their children?
Maybe you mean we should soften up and be kinder? I AM IN FAVOUR OF THAT!!

My children don't need shouting at, yelling at, pointed at or threatened in any way..................there are far kinder more understanding ways you can use of helping a child learn social behaviour.

UNRULY CHILDREN? Are you making that statement broadly? Does it include neurotypicals?

And BOUNDARIES, aaaghhhh I hate that word. Boundaries are for BENDING, make them flexible and maybe they would be more effective? Make the boundaries RIGID and expect them to be broken.

Be kind to children, treat them with respect and they will reciprocate, shout at a child and they will shout back...............remember many COPY/MIMIC. If you don't want it back, don't dish it out in the first place.

Thank you.......................chill pill swallowed.


Good post. I lost all respect for my mother the minute she lost respect for me.


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29 Jan 2009, 7:22 pm

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Can we please remember here, CHILDREN learn from their parents. Also a high proportion of these children on the spectrum will be echolalic.....................they COPY their parents too. So who should we be looking at here, the parents or the children?

They would be far less likely to try that behavior on the parents if they understand that consequences will follow. As some of the children mentioned in the thread probably possess intelligence levels far below average, offering explanations would be counterproductive. Explanations should be reserved for relatively intelligent, logical, and verbose children.


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And 'if you are soft'? Your definition of soft please? Do you mean parents that give in quickly or those that don't use physical force to 'control' their children?
Maybe you mean we should soften up and be kinder? I AM IN FAVOUR OF THAT!!


If you are "kind" to those who mistreat you, the behavior will continue. I define soft as someone who repeatedly allows himself to become stepped on by others.


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UNRULY CHILDREN? Are you making that statement broadly? Does it include neurotypicals?


Yes it does include neurotypicals. I would suggest the same solution for a neurotypical.

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And BOUNDARIES, aaaghhhh I hate that word. Boundaries are for BENDING, make them flexible and maybe they would be more effective? Make the boundaries RIGID and expect them to be broken.


Who says the boundaries have to be rigid?

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Be kind to children, treat them with respect and they will reciprocate, shout at a child and they will shout back...............remember many COPY/MIMIC. If you don't want it back, don't dish it out in the first place.


Parents should never punish a child unless the situation warrants it. I agree with being kind to your children but there is a point where enough is enough. Is there any reason why a parent should give respect to a child who is trying to bite her or push her down the stairs?