Why is it soo horrible to say "Shut Up"?

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SilverxStarz
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06 Apr 2009, 4:18 pm

Saying the phrase "Shut Up" is kind of like using the term "ret*d" or "ret*d". People tend to use terms and phrases until the term or phrase itself develops enough negative connotation (or Stigma), and then a new word or phrase is "coined" to replace the old usage. The new politically correct usage stays around until it meets the inevitable fate of the usage it replaced. The thing that never changes is a need to identify, express, communicate and/or label a subject that can be touchy and emotionally heated. . People will always at times feel the need to express a desire for another person to stop talking and/or go away. The way to express such a desire is the touchy part.



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06 Apr 2009, 4:19 pm

I don't think it's so bad. Some people need to say it and others need to hear it.


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06 Apr 2009, 5:56 pm

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It reminds me of how when people type swears, they replace one letter with an asterisk, like s*it or f*ck, I never understood that. You're saying the word, it's blatantly obvious what word you're saying, nothing's really hidden by that one star, but to type the word which you actually mean to say is for some reason incredibly rude, so you have to say the exact same word but apparently make it appear that you don't know how to spell it.


Actually most websites have filters that will turn any correctly spelled swear word into all asterisks, to get around this posters will misspell the word slightly. So in fact it has nothing to do with the posters trying to be more polite, they are in fact trying to make it clear which word they intended to use.


But then comes the purpose of these filters, who are they trying to protect? Is it really such a bad thing to let people say what they mean? Are the children going to be tramatized by reading exactly what they hear when they turn on HBO, or hear dad hit his thumb with a hammer? And as for forums where children don't frequent, what sense does it make prohibiting people from saying what they really mean? If I were to say "you have less intelegence than rat vomit and should go bury yourself in a cave until the day you die", how is that any better than just a simple F*** You?


Ah well for a clear understanding as to why WrongPlanet has word filters you'd have to ask Alex. I don't claim to know the answer in general, but I believe it may have something to do with protecting the site owners from being included in possible law suits.


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20 Jan 2016, 2:57 pm

I learned the hard way with this too. Shut up seems to be one of those conditional unspoken rule NT things/

Everywhere I see people say "Shut up!" the phrase never bothered me. I mean everywhere even Disney shows would have characters say Shut up to each other. My ASD Psychiatrist was trying to show me how the phrase "Shut Up" is used with NTs in some movie and with the all the media I never saw any negative connotation with it and I guessed that with time it wasn't considered a bad phrase like how it is okay to say idiot and moron even though it basically had the same meaning as ret*d in early 20th century. Heck she even said it to me once and it didn't bother me at all. I figured it was how you said it and the situation and it didn't have a negative connotation because of how it changes like other words do.

I started acting more NT due to increased confidence and observing how other NTs interact in real life and on TV. I made the mistake of saying "Shut Up" to a 10 year old, it wasn't in an aggressive way but a playful one and I knew the kid pretty well and I'm very polite and friendly. I should have known better, the kid pretty much loves getting people in trouble, he'd tattle on kids that wouldn't share their snacks with him and make it seem like they were bullying him. He'd even try to blackmail people. He had a big smirk on his and decided to get me in trouble and went to an adult and put his saddest face on and acted like it hurt him and as if I screamed it angrily at him, so it made the adult really angry and started yelling at me and scolding me in front of everyone as if I just cursed him out and insulted his entire existence. The brat had a smirk on his face while his he was standing behind him. He proceeded to annoy me and try to get me in more trouble after that and would use any slight irritation I had as being bad. Even though everyone else was one my side and hated the kid as well I still felt really bad about it.

I was just standing around confused wondering what I did was wrong. So I figured I'd eliminate the phrase "Shut Up!" from my vocabulary.

Also being polite doesn't work all the time as some suggest in this thread. Some people just won't stop until they face some sort of consequence. I remember when I was 14 I was building a computer in my living room, my younger sister was about 10 and she brought all her friends into the house. I was just minding my own business putting together my PC. My sisters friends then start touching all my hardware, I kept politely telling them stop touching it and even tried to educate them on it and how to build a PC as a way to connect with them since I figured they were curious.

Nope they just wanted to be annoying and getting their fingers all over my hardware. It made me really mad as I worked my first summer job ever in a really hot place to earn all the money to pay for it and I knew their parents wouldn't pay for it. I get really made and started shouting at them "STOP TOUCHING IT!" all it did was make it worse as they loved the negative attention and did it more to make me mad.

I basically had a meltdown shouting. They enjoyed every minute of it. They later told their parents that I was "bullying" them. I told their parents what really went on when they tried to chew me out and they backed off but didn't scold their kids or have them apologize. Some people won't "respect" you until you kick their ass, display you have authority/power over them, or you have a very scary/intimidating voice. I didn't have a intimidating voice so it didn't really make them stop.

Kinda why I avoid little kids as society was placed this image that they can do know wrong and whatever they do that is wrong is harmless no matter what. Little kids are some good manipulators all they gotta do is put on a sad face and people will take their side no matter how wrong they are even against other little kids. I was able to see through this crap as a little kid myself. I always thought how the other kids acted like spoiled selfish brats all the time. Mom and teachers saw me as a blessing since I never acted like a brat and even called other kids out on it.



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20 Jan 2016, 4:52 pm

Your future mother in law should not have corrected the way you speak to your future brother in law. It doesn't matter that he is a child. The error in manners in this situation is hers.

I don't think there's anything wrong with you being first polite with your little brother in law and then, when he didn't comply, you lost your temper and told him to shut up. It's not like you told him to f--- off.

I would actually have a talk with your fiance and ask him to very clearly tell his mom that this conversation she had with you was inappropriate. You are not her child and she cannot correct your manners. Case closed. That is beyond rude and sets up your future relationship to fail.

I have a little brother in law who was a child when my husband and I first started dating. There was once an occasion when the little brother acted up towards me and my husband took care of it directly. No one ever expected me to be responsible for correcting the brother. It worked out very well.



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20 Jan 2016, 5:04 pm

I wouldn't like it one bit if someone told *me* to shut up, especially if I thought I was actually having a pleasant conversation but the other person did not and is bored or annoyed by whatever topic I still want to go about.

I am affected by words more often than anything physical. Today I heard a little kid actually say "f***k off", and my first thought was to get a big bar of soap to shove into their mouth. :lol:



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20 Jan 2016, 5:39 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
Your future mother in law should not have corrected the way you speak to your future brother in law. It doesn't matter that he is a child. The error in manners in this situation is hers.

I don't think there's anything wrong with you being first polite with your little brother in law and then, when he didn't comply, you lost your temper and told him to shut up. It's not like you told him to f--- off.

I would actually have a talk with your fiance and ask him to very clearly tell his mom that this conversation she had with you was inappropriate. You are not her child and she cannot correct your manners. Case closed. That is beyond rude and sets up your future relationship to fail.

I have a little brother in law who was a child when my husband and I first started dating. There was once an occasion when the little brother acted up towards me and my husband took care of it directly. No one ever expected me to be responsible for correcting the brother. It worked out very well.

Just a reminder that this thread is from 2009, so the OP may not be around to answer you.

I think "shut up" is rude in a lot of situations, but it may be okay in some circumstances. Like I think people who are close, like siblings, can say it to each other as long as neither of them minds. And I think if someone's just been really mean, then they probably deserve it.



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20 Jan 2016, 8:13 pm

I don't like being told to "shut up." I'm not a kid. It shows disrespect. It makes me want to fight that person.