To the undiagnosed aspies: Is diagnosis important to you?

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11 Feb 2012, 9:52 am

You describe exactly what I was going through, except that worrying part. I do not worry whether I would really be diagnosed, because I think that this is the case where diagnosis itself is irrelevant; the fact that the diagnosis would be denied would not change the fact that I honestly experience some difficulties in the social (and not only that) area. For me, diagnosis is merely a piece a paper that you can show to the other people and say, 'hey, I'm handicapped' ;)

Also, I do not necessarily connect with people on the basis that I share the same label as them.....

On the other hand, sometimes I wish I had the diagnosis, some people seem to think that if you are doing something improperly and do not have a paper on it, you are automatically doing it on purpose and they discriminate you accordingly.

To conclude, I do not find diagnosis as an important thing, but sometimes it could be helpful. :)



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11 Feb 2012, 10:26 am

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On the other hand, sometimes I wish I had the diagnosis, some people seem to think that if you are doing something improperly and do not have a paper on it, you are automatically doing it on purpose and they discriminate you accordingly.


Yes, exactly. People think that if you have a diagnosis, then it is something out of your control. If you do not have a diagnosis, then it's your fault. They don't understand that the line is very fuzzy and the cutoff is rather arbitrary.


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11 Feb 2012, 7:32 pm

If you are not diagnosed and you think it's expensive maybe you should look into how I went about getting my diagnoses.

I keep hearing the reasoning for not getting a diagnosis is because it costs a lot of money. I've received both of my diagnoses, NV-LD and ASD, for under $450 dollars. The bulk of the money will be towards someone who specializes in autism. You can lower your risk by getting a general psych eval at a psychology training facility.

I live in Seattle so perhaps professionals and awareness is easier to come by, Bill Gates and all.

I took a general psych. assessment for ADHD at a psychology center where students enrolled give out cheap assessments under a supervising Doctor. They charged me based on my income, therein I paid less than $200 dollars - maybe 150 - making it easier for the specialist who diagnosed me with Asperger's to properly diagnose me based on previously tested information on the basis of non-verbal learning disability. NV-LD helped my Autism specialist rule out a lot of things, as it is often associated with people on the spectrum.

I don't know where ya'll live but my diagnostic testing wasn't in the $1,000-2000 range. I just did my research (free), which was the most time consuming part (sweat equity), found a cheap general assessment i.e., Weschler Adult Intelligence Scale and cross-exam battery tests, and then found a specialist who used the diagnostics from my previous psychologist, an informal interview with my caretaker, an informal interview with myself, several tests, and I got it.

What the diagnosis is allowing me to do? Go back to school with accommodations, help me get SSDI so I can pay down my student loans and support myself, and would also help me find suitable work for myself using currently available state programs for rehabilitation.

OH yeah and when my case gets settled for social security I can finally start living my life with a bit more peace of mind and security - less stress, better health. There are attainable, beneficial benefits (lol I said that) if you're willing to advocate for yourself and take the risk. If you get denied there are SSDI lawyers out there. Not sure how desperate people undiagnosed are but I had to stop the downward spiral in my life.

I am sure there will be disagreement on this last note but if you're undiagnosed, what are you waiting for? I've ran into my fair share of people who self-diagnose and it always sounds like a pity party. I dislike people who make a DSM diagnosis as a means of social parity, please don't tout the sticker if you don't have it, lest it becomes another ADHD 'phenomena'. Get the sticker if you want it, but you gotta work for it if you were undiagnosed as a child. I think the reward outweighs the risk, if you are genuinely affected; especially if it is pervasive to the extent that it stops you from getting on with your life. If you are having a hard time getting on with your life and you are genuinely trying to be affected by pathologizing your actual laziness and inadequacy, please leave. I don't care if WIRED said you have Asperger's or that you disagree with professionals not giving you the diagnosis you want. Maybe you're not convincing. Out of all the research and literature on the subject if you fail your diagnosis you merely fail in understanding the etiology in order to give proper examples to your psychologist. What I mean is, really start thinking your life over, using the lens of Autism as an argument for difficulties and problems you had as a child, adolescent, and adult. Read and meditate so you can start remembering and making a clear narrative for the person evaluating you.

I am in no way saying that I agree with how expensive diagnostics can be or shaming people who don't have the financial resources. All I can say is that you always have a choice, however small, which can help you move in the direction you need to go. I know the system is broke, but that isn't an excuse not to make due.



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11 Feb 2012, 8:01 pm

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I chose "Not sure if I have it or not" instead of "Have Aspergers- Undiagnosed" because I'm not really sure and saying that I have aspergers would be lying if I'm wrong. I would like to do the test to know it, but I don't think I will do it because I do not like the idea of talking to a psychologist and I'm also afraid of finding something else. On the other hand, I would feel better with a diagnosis, I would stop thinking I'm crazy or stupid/ret*d, some people thinks I'm intelligent (I'm really good at some things) but I'm still learning things that my friends learned when they were much more younger.


Cut through the BS, conquer that anxiety, and just make steps towards getting evaluated. Research a psychologist that you feel you can trust.



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11 Feb 2012, 8:04 pm

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11 Feb 2012, 8:05 pm

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Only in the sense that I would know whether or not I actually have it........more than likely I'd be considered too "high functioning" to qualify for whatever services or therapies might exist for adults in my area.


High-functioning as compared to what? There is more to ASD than having 'social anxiety'. In fact I think that's less than half of it for me. Are you faking it? I don't care what level of normalcy you have achieved but if you are disabled it means you are impaired in a pervasive way that affects your quality of living.



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11 Feb 2012, 8:06 pm

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Diagnosis is very important to me. I don't know how people can stand not knowing one way or the other; the seemingly endless void between the psychiatrist first telling me about AS and the actual date of my assessment is the most intense period I've had in my life so far. Having that confirmation, if I get it, will allow me to sit down and look at my life with an actual, recognised framework rather than vague suspicions. I can't read self-help books yet because I feel like a fraud. I even feel uncomfortable attending support groups or accepting ASD-tailored help. Having a diagnosis will not only give me access to the kind of support I need; it will make me feel like I deserve to accept it.


THis is a very constructive view-point. I hope people can take this to heart and stop being so self-deprecating. This is how I felt and it motivated me to DO something, ANYTHING, whatever the cost.



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11 Feb 2012, 8:10 pm

As some of you know, I actually inquired about getting dx'd yesterday. Was told to ask an Endocrinologist. This sounds like the most expensive route to me, is it?

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11 Feb 2012, 8:13 pm

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I have just recently started to strongly believe that I have Asperger's. Since I have had that form of epiphany, things have started falling into place, everything is making more sense. My first reaction was that I was not exactly over the moon about it, because all of a sudden I had the label of a syndrome attached to my identity.
Now though, I am actually rather pleased that there is finally an explanation for my "strange" behaviours and reactions, and I find myself going back to how I felt before, which was knowing that I was different and being happy about it. At a very high cost of not belonging with the masses, at least I am not a sheep in this society.
In effect, I would only care to be officially labeled if that would help me get some kind of disability allowance that I could use while I can't find a job.


Hi Suspie, I originally got tested because I was performing poor academically, not before. After I was diagnosed, applying for disability, as a safety net I feel will give me the stability I need to keep going too. I encourage you to do what you can to better your situation as you see it.



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11 Feb 2012, 10:42 pm

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I strongly considered getting an official diagnosis, but I did everything unofficial because I didn't want a label in my records that would lead medical people to discount me and my health issues any more than they have. Every test there is says I'm an aspie - they just show different "levels" of it due to how a question was put (like, if I spent 15 years learning how to not flinch when people touch me, does that mean I don't mind it anymore, or that I mind it but I've learned a skill set that allows me to fake not minding it). It only takes a little bit of something for my body to react (like half a Tylenol works for me, while everyone else takes 2, and 1 cup of coffee will wire me for lights for a day and a half), but its been hard to get doctors to acknowledge that. I thought they might if I got an official aspie label, but I've seen no evidence to it. In fact, they just seemed to use that as an excuse to not really listen to their aspie patient(s).

So until I find a reason for every corporate health insurance and government database on the planet to have another tag to stick on my forehead, I'm not officially "telling".

That being said, figuring out what I "am" was hugely helpful in my life. I'm 50 now, and I wish I had known about it when I was a kid (though back then no one considered or knew of it). Would have saved me a lot of grief and a lot of pain at home and in school.


This is one of the reason why I don't want an official diagnosis and will not seek it. I don't trust the health ins co's to not discriminate. I don't trust the US gov't to not use it against me (the first time an aspie goes on a rampage there will be a knee jerk reaction to demonize and susequently restrict those diagnosed.) Also, a diagnosis doesn't gain you much in the way of getting on disability. At best it would be a confirmation of a condition. At worst it would be used against me.



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11 Feb 2012, 11:34 pm

As others have mentioned, I am torn between an official diagnosis and sticking with my self-diagnosis.

I am worried about what people will think of me and the possibility of getting discriminated against if I get an official diagnosis. The average person probably won't know how to deal with me, so they'll develop mistaken impressions about me. Which I can only do so much, to correct. Being self-diagnosed, means I don't have to tell anyone who I feel doesn't have to know. And since they don't know, they'll probably just think I'm a little eccentric, rather than autistic.

I don't trust the majority of psychologists and other mental health "professionals". It would be very easy to be misdiagnosed, on the whim of some stranger who doesn't know me from a bar of soap. I have seen more than ten counsellors in my life and there has only been one who I feel that has helped me any and who I felt that I could trust. Unfortunately I can't see her in that capacity anymore, otherwise I would still be going to her.


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12 Feb 2012, 12:05 am

I am with melmaclorelai @ noname... getting dxd just means you have a "problem." You are in a minority. But, there is nothing that "they" can do for you. If you live somewhere where ASD is a "disorder" then you may get money from the government, or the state... but you have to somehow declare that you have trouble getting by... you need a hand, understanding.

This is what some doctors believe:

Diagnosis
There are no tests for Asperger syndrome. The diagnosis is based on observations of the child's behavior. Neuropsychological and IQ tests may be given. Medical tests may be ordered to help rule out other conditions. Children and their families can benefit from early intervention. Knowing what is wrong also helps families understand why the child acts differently than other children.

Treatment
There is no treatment to cure Asperger syndrome. Treatments aim to control symptoms and improve social skills. Patients often learn to function independently as adults. However, they usually continue to experience problems with social interaction. They also may develop mental health problems, such as depression and anxiety. Children with Asperger syndrome need love and understanding, as well as a structured schedule.

Therapies include:

Medication
Drugs to help control symptoms may include:

Stimulants
Mood-altering drugs
Drugs to control seizures
Serotonin selective reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)—such as citalopram (eg, Celexa), sertraline (eg, Zoloft), fluoxetine (eg, Prozac), paroxetine (eg, Paxil CR)
Neuroleptics—such as risperidone (eg, Risperdal)
Counseling
Behavior modification therapy and training can help children develop social skills. Learning how to make and keep friends is difficult for these children. As they grow up, many find the lack of friends troubling.
http://www.doctorsofusc.com/condition/document/12037
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My rant is that once "doctors" get their hands on you, if you can pay in any way, then they won't let you go. You will come to them with "problems" on a schedule, and they will offer you solutions.


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12 Feb 2012, 1:00 am

Nope. I don't care about a diagnosis at all. It used to bother me, but not anymore.


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12 Feb 2012, 8:39 am

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Kalika wrote:
Only in the sense that I would know whether or not I actually have it........more than likely I'd be considered too "high functioning" to qualify for whatever services or therapies might exist for adults in my area.


High-functioning as compared to what? There is more to ASD than having 'social anxiety'. In fact I think that's less than half of it for me. Are you faking it? I don't care what level of normalcy you have achieved but if you are disabled it means you are impaired in a pervasive way that affects your quality of living.


I agree with him.

As much as I am similar to people with ASD I feel a bit ridiculous thinking that I have it sometimes because I'm nearly positive I'd be told I was too high functioning to be diagnosed or simply an NT with some autistic traits.

Although, I actually am in the process of filing for SSI right nw fo my history of ADHD, no trouble being DXed with that again but so many of Aspie problems are also explained by ADHD and although I "mindblind" to a certain extent(which I only learned about when I started researching ASD and this explained MUCH more than ADHD ever did) and even eccentric(described as such by other people, I personally don't think I'm that weird LOL), I have no impairments reading expressions or body language and I somehow manage to make friends.


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12 Feb 2012, 6:13 pm

I am functioning and have somewhat of a social life (at least I socialize at work...) but I would feel an enormous amount of relief if I was diagnosed because I have been mostly friendless for my entire life and I could never understand what was wrong with me. Elementary school and middle school were hell, thank god I was spared from going through highschool where social groups were so enormous and I felt like the only person who was by themselves.



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12 Feb 2012, 7:36 pm

An official diagnosis would finally answer and explain the questions I've had about myself all of my life - but it would be for my own personal knowledge as I don't need disability as long as I can keep the job I've had for the past 26 years - art / graphic design is one of my main special interests.

On the other hand, I do not want my diagnosis to be publicly known at work. And I also don't really have the money for an official Dx right now.

I am going to see a psychologist for depression and anxiety through my EAP very soon. If I can see the doctor of my choice, she also happens to specialize in Asperger's.


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