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01 Mar 2012, 11:39 am

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I can however say, that there is correlation between neurodiversity and polyamory.


I think you are right, and this is an Aspie social trait, related to "unusual sexual preferences". The problem with researching this trait is that Aspies have a much harder time getting one relationship, much less so multiple. But when I tested it, Aspies and NTs had similar scores, which does indicate this is true since we would expect NTs to score higher as they are more likely to get a relationship in the first place. The question also correlated to other Aspie social traits, which supports its relation to neurodiversity.
However, it couldn't be used in Aspie Quiz because it didn't correlate to Aspie score.


Perhaps you should start off with some directions. State explicitly that one should answer based on what s/he thinks his/her natural tendencies are, not adaptations? Also phrasing questions so that it is clear you are asking about tendencies would help. I used to do more of the latter, now more of the former, I think. I no longer spin in circles, I used to love it. I might feel a lot better if I did so when I can once in a while, but for some reason I don't. Still, my neurodiverse score is likely still underguesstimated and my neurotypical score overguesstimated.


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01 Mar 2012, 12:15 pm

nemorosa wrote:
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Questions such as "are you fascinated by traps" are devised by people with specific ideas in mind not randomly generated yet you refuse to acknowledge that this is so.


I get the impression question selection is based on a two-step process. Question generation is not random -- it is based on the hypothesis. It seems to make more sense for neanderthals to construct traps than asian (or African) H.s.s. The second part is automatic, it either pans out statistically or doesn't.

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1. This is a hobby of yours. Your are not a professional.


He hasn't been kept up eight years of sleepless nights and given massive amounts of carefully selected material to read. Even the Unification Church isn't as bad as psychiatry, or even medicine in general.

nemorosa wrote:
2. No professional person or organisation publicly endorses your work.


He is in good company. Crackpots such as Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Robert H. Goddard, Wegener, Alfred, ad nauseam.

Mahatma Gandhi wrote:
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because no one sees it.



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3. You have tried to have your work accepted by the professionals but have been shot down. Twice.


Same answer as above.

nemorosa wrote:
6. You make rather broad assumptions about how people think. Surprise surprise, your only justification for this thinking comes from your own quiz.


Justification comes from hypothesizing and testing the hypothesis. According to RDOS, it pans out.


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That you have an agenda and are constantly rewriting and reformulating your questions gives me further cause for my doubts.


Who doesn't have an agenda? At least he is honest about it. At least he isn't out to become dictator while claiming you are free. At least his agenda is to find out the truth by reason, not divine revelation.


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01 Mar 2012, 12:47 pm

nemorosa wrote:

..We know next to nothing about Neanderthals, much less their behaviour. Everything you have suggested about them is idle speculation. And to think you accused me earlier of fantasy.


The best way to find out about Neanderthals is to see if a different set of thinking and behavior introgressed into the gene pool of humans living today. If so, it can be measured and you're in luck.


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11 Mar 2012, 10:56 pm

rdos wrote:
Cultural Aspergers Hypothesis
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4413462.html#4413462
... What we would expect if ASDs were solely genetic is a decline in ASD as discrimination increases. This is exactly what we see as well, as it appears that young people have lower neurodiversity scores. IOW, all the recent increase in diagnostic is due to environmental factors, primarily a less accepting culture. Even if the diagnostic criteria has shifted in order to diagnose more, this is still true as there is a demand for more diagnoses as conditions become worse.

Undiagnosed aspie--RDOS aspie results attached
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Aspie Quiz has no age bias, in the sense that factors and explained variance is similar regardless of age. Scores are not age related either, but young males on average score considerably lower, which is related to many more young males participating than expected. If older people score lower is not possible to show as participation is not controlled.


As I recall, you've previously stated that rates of neurodiversity have been declining at a rate of 1% per year since the 1950s, if I understood correctly. Or is the second statement above about how someone born in the 1950s would have scored had the Internet and Aspie Quiz existed, say in the 1960s vs today? If the second post above is means what I now think it means, I suspect that we can wonder if the rate of decline in our numbers (at least a relative decline if not absolute decline) is greater than it appears.


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02 May 2012, 9:05 pm

ok so I've been lurking here for awhile, trying to understand the purpose behind the oddball questions (unusual sexual preferences, pretty much the entire hunting section) and I think I'm beginning to understand, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but basically, the questions would be perceived differently by an aspie vs an NT . An aspies answers are less likely to be swayed by societal norms, or a reluctance to be "different". Also, I speculate that anyone as determined as any of us to try to make sense of and get to the truth of this or any matter, shows a common aspie trait! Most NTs I know would just be like "thats stupid, whatever" and move on, whereas an aspie or someone with OCD would be obsessed with getting to the root of it :p I know I need things to be very specific; generalities annoy me. I'm probably babbling, sorry.



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04 May 2012, 6:53 am

I think you've got it. I believe RDOS would agree.


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04 May 2012, 8:10 am

Jtuk wrote:
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I would like it very much if the community could chime in and advise me on whether or not I do have aspergers.


If you've grown out of it, or your symptons no longer cause you any problems, then the simplistic answer is that you don't have it.

Jason


Aspies and Auties often loose some of the traits as they get older. That is why is is sometimes harder for older folk to get a diagnosis. but no matter how much you learn to mask, and pass, the root problem remains the same.



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15 Oct 2015, 2:06 pm

Since this thread is obviously referred to from the internet, I think it's a good idea to provide a reference to the paper that was published in 2013 (and that is free):

Leif Ekblad Autism, Personality, and Human Diversity: Defining Neurodiversity in an Iterative Process Using Aspie Quiz SAGE Open July-September 2013 3: 2158244013497722, http://sgo.sagepub.com/content/3/3/2158 ... 2.abstract



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15 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm

One of the things that really surprised me when I took the Aspie quiz was how some rather odd, narrow and seemingly unlikely questions really matched me. One of those questions were the fascination about traps question. As a kid, I used to make traps of ropes, wires, buckets and whatever I could think of all over the house. And on saturdays, I used to make drawings of mechanical traps catching jewel thiefs. Once I met a police officer and I started suggesting he should use traps to catch burgulars. He said he did. I was disappointed when it was only a mere alarm.


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