What if we're just ret*d?

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I think I actually realized that we ARE ret*d, not intellectualy, but realistically. In the real world doesn't matter how smart you are, the matter is how much you can do, how much you can achieve. We're stuck into our fantasy world, but we're afraid to do things FOR REAL, I think It is retardation. We don't want to accept how difficult is to live in this world, so we defend ourselves thinking what is right and what is not, but we're not in control of ANYTHING, but just our thoughts.

Man, this conversation is all over the place.

People certainly have the right to call themselves whatever they want. If calling yourself a ret*d makes you happy, fine. If you insist on doing it even though it makes you sad, then you obviously have some psych issues in addition to ASD.

And standardized intelligence tests can suck an egg. Too many different factors to consider from person to person.

Well I don't think ret*d is an insulting word, but I'm getting things straight here. You can be cool on forums here, but who know what you're in real life?

Man, this conversation is all over the place.

People certainly have the right to call themselves whatever they want. If calling yourself a ret*d makes you happy, fine. If you insist on doing it even though it makes you sad, then you obviously have some psych issues in addition to ASD.

And standardized intelligence tests can suck an egg. Too many different factors to consider from person to person.

Nothing wrong with trying to understand what's wrong with us.

And no one said intelligence tests were perfect.

Initially I wondered what on earth you meant, as people with AS are at least average intelligence with many above average intelligence, some even being genuises. However, I decided to look up the correct meaning of the word ret*d, because everyone immediately assumes it means of low intelligence. It might interest you to look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation

...from which I quote here:


Therefore, the real issue is in how you intended the word ret*d to be understood in your question. The word itself is mis-used and apparently misunderstood by many people (including myself before I looked it up).

All I can contribute, is that many people with HFA and AS are highly intelligent and have achieved much in their lives. So who says you cannot catch up to others? For many it's not about what they are capable of, it's more about luck and perceptions by others. Anyone, no matter of their disability, has the opportunity to achieve greatness with perseverence, and sometimes the right circumstances.

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See Poke's post. There's more to it than just the dictionary definition.

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In response to this specifically: "All I can contribute, is that many people with HFA and AS are highly intelligent and have achieved much in their lives. So who says you cannot catch up to others? For many it's not about what they are capable of, it's more about luck and perceptions by others. Anyone, no matter of their disability, has the opportunity to achieve greatness with perseverence, and sometimes the right circumstances."

This just plain isn't true.

Certain disabilities will absolutely cripple you. Autism isn't necessarily one of those things but it can really ruin your chances of having a normal or worthwhile life. So who says? We do. Our brains tell us what's important in our lives. And if there's no apparent means to achieve it..? Bad luck.

It's important to note that many of us aren't "highly intelligent" either. Everybody's different.

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Read the first 2 or 3 posts getting touchy. I THOUGHT having aspergers meant I am ret*d but I/we are not and by far in most cases.
In the future a lot of what we lack will be NORMAL to lack sorta speak. Also most of us ARE brilliant intelligence and smarts are not the same thing. I suck at spelling have to think twice or look up some words to spell them correctly however I have an IQ of 140 most people that aren't ret*d only have an IQ of 100 and loads of them don't have much smarts. We usually have a lot of SMARTS in our "fields of interest"...but we usually have above average IQ many at genius level.

Also a lot of us are smart in many topics/areas.

Edit: I'm really not going to live long if I am considered retarted.

Lots of info like this about aspergers.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_people_wi ... e_retarded

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Yes they actually occur, because we all have an amygdala. People are no computers.


Yes, other factors are important. However, controlled experiments are essential to understand the effects of a condition.


Of course. But I wrote nothing about the results. Depressed people *want* to live and die at the same time, this is illogical.


I can see no potential increase in survival chances in being unhappy due to being skilless. Again, I wrote nothing about the results.


Most of the time, our happiness forces us to change the negative things in our life. Generally, if a person performs at x well, he gains self confidence and he may say ''I can also do y!''. Think about the extreme unhappiness case, people with severe depression even forget eating. How a depressed person can be motivated to perform better in anything? When all hope is lost, people start to feel unhappy: unhappiness is a result of hopelessness. Death makes us very unhappy, because we all know there is no solution for it. A determined person wouldn't feel unhappiness if he failed at something because of his limited skill. He would be frustrated.

Lets take a look at how people feel in different conditions. When people encounter with a serious problem, they feel panic, not unhappiness. Panic prepares the body and the mind to perform well. Hatred, frustration, anger, happiness, panic... All make us feel energetic, just to perform well. Unhappiness? It drains energy!

Even capitalism is concerned with the reduced efficiency due to unhappiness. http://business.highbeam.com/138385/art ... e-requires


A depressed person performs poorly in areas that need skill, I've already sent a paper abstract link about it. And remember: I wrote nothing about the results.

To perform well in social situations, people with AS have to keep their positive mood and they have to be determined. Unhappiness kills the little social potential that we have.

They want to be happy. And if they can't, they don't want to live (well the suicidal ones maybe). Nothing illogical about it.

Ah, but if you read what I wrote again, what I said is many, not all. And I was talking about HFA and AS which are less significantly impaired by definition usually. If you mean socialising problems for instance, yes they can severely affect your functions and enjoyment of life, but they are not insurpassable with the right help. Here is part of what I mean by 'the right circumstances'. And I did categorically not state that everyone with AS was highly intelligent, I gave a range, which included average intelligence. You are taking what I said out of context. If someone has a lower than average intelligence and is on the spectrum, that means they are not HFA or AS they have autism and perhaps relevant co-morbid issues regarding their intellect, such as learning disability. You are right, everyone is different - which is what I said! You missed my entire point because you cherry-picked parts that you wanted to focus on out of context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction

A person cannot want to live and to die at the same time. This is illogical. And yes, people can be illogical.

Society operates by and large on their paradigm, which empowers certain people to feel that they are superior over those who lack heightened social intuition.

It doesn't make them right - but it does give them the confidence to take the low road with impunity.

What the perfect storm said is correct. Wanting to live ONLY if happiness CAN be achieved and NOT wanting to continue living in pain..People that can't, have a very hard time, etc. finding happiness being happy rather die than live on in pain. Many people that commit suicide WANT to live sure but it's more a fantasy because that want has a fine print that reads "Happily.." Heck some people just want to be content and can't even reach that point. Now saying "I want to be alive AND dead" well that is illogical. Saying I am tired of suffering I want to live but only if I am happy or pkay and I am NOT okay/happy I want/choose to die. It is a pros and cons type of thing...all or nothing...this or that. "Johnny you can only have 1 apple OR 1 banana" Even though Johnny wants both he can only choose one even though they both aren't the snack he really wants; a banana split. The banana being "life" the ice cream and topping being happiness.

I am sure this is a bit jumbled but I'm sure most or all of us will get what I am saying. I haven't slept in 24hrs should be good enough though.

Also as humans we have mixed emotions too. I have felt happy and sad at the same time happy and upset at the same time.

No one has a "normal" life, except that each of our lives is "normal" to us.

Believe me, NT's also have hang ups that arise from focusing on what one cannot do or what one does not have. Being NT would give you no guarantee of happiness or satisfaction.

Some of the most highly satisfied people I have known have had challenges or obstacles (disability, poverty, immutable unfortunate circumstances) that would devastate others. It's all what you chose to focus on and what you determine is meaningful. When you focus on what you have, what you can do, and what is achievable, you will be much happier than you will be if you only look at what you don't have, what you can't do, and what you can never attain.

Lol.

They want to either live well, or if that's not achievable, die to remove the pain. What don't you understand? They do not want to suffer.