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12 Feb 2016, 6:17 pm

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Again, just in case, I'm not attacking anyone; I'm questioning the reasoning behind the idea that autism is cured if one has found ways to overcome it.


Good question. When I went from level 3 to level 2, it was not a matter of being partially cured. Or that my autism went into partial remission. I guess overcame is an accurate enough term.

I said it before I will say again, I see people such as yourself, your writing and I have a difficult time believing that progress. Not that I doubt you.

I am high functioning. My communications are not as good as your's many times. It's just amazing when I see this.
Believe it or not, it give me hope.

Glad to see yer still around.......


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12 Feb 2016, 6:18 pm

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One person mentioned that the "autism personality type" could be for those that are cured. Then somewhere on another thread, maybe? I don't know. Someone mentioned that those that that aren't having trouble functioning wouldn't be considered to be autistic. I honestly am totally confused and sleep-deprived, so I don't know who said what.

It made me curious, so I looked up the DSM-V. And then that part that mentioned current impairment confused me. If I am able to overcome things, do they reverse the diagnosis?
It's a mess for sure. Sorry about the sleep deprivation. I'm not and I'm having a hard time following since there are multiple threads.


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12 Feb 2016, 7:17 pm

zkydz wrote:
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One person mentioned that the "autism personality type" could be for those that are cured. Then somewhere on another thread, maybe? I don't know. Someone mentioned that those that that aren't having trouble functioning wouldn't be considered to be autistic. I honestly am totally confused and sleep-deprived, so I don't know who said what.

It made me curious, so I looked up the DSM-V. And then that part that mentioned current impairment confused me. If I am able to overcome things, do they reverse the diagnosis?
It's a mess for sure. Sorry about the sleep deprivation. I'm not and I'm having a hard time following since there are multiple threads.


I don't know what the protocol is for reversing a diagnosis. I remember someone in the past saying that they were right on the border, of being 'normally' functional in the best of circumstances, but stress pushes them into an ASD level of dysfunction. I would imagine even if you 'recovered', that would be your situation, and future stress could set you back again, in which case it would be a giant pain to get re-diagnosed.



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12 Feb 2016, 7:20 pm

Yigeren wrote:
One person mentioned that the "autism personality type" could be for those that are cured. Then somewhere on another thread, maybe? I don't know. Someone mentioned that those that that aren't having trouble functioning wouldn't be considered to be autistic. I honestly am totally confused and sleep-deprived, so I don't know who said what.

It made me curious, so I looked up the DSM-V. And then that part that mentioned current impairment confused me. If I am able to overcome things, do they reverse the diagnosis?


The autistic personality type is someone who has autism type tendencies, but not actual autism. I have run across a few such people online. And while they do not have autism, we relate to each other very well and on the same page with a lot of things.



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12 Feb 2016, 7:27 pm

Why aren't people mentioning the broader autism phenotype (B.A.P.) in this discussion?


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12 Feb 2016, 8:26 pm

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.....and listened to records because Tapes/CD/DVDs/downloading music were "terrible".....
That was for yer own good you whippersnapper!! Vinyl RULES!! WOO HOO!! !

Goofball hat off now....LOL

But, I really do prefer the sound of vinyl. I can't detect any superiority in sound. My hearing isn't that precise. But it's a bit of a time trip to hear the pops and clicks of my youth.

Edit: Unlike you and Kraftie, I was slightly ahead verbally and it grew quickly. That really should have been the tip off that something was not right. Most kids do not prefer the company of adults. Especially kids that show no intellectual difficulties. And it was a bit of a source of pride for them that I always talked like a little adult and not like other kids.

What I find really cool about that is that reading the comments from both of you, as well as some other members', I would not know the difficulties you dealt with.

LOL- that made me laugh :D I was a fun experience listening to records admittedly. Sometimes I still buy them actually- just for fun. I certainly like them a lot more than CDs, but the musical range can be slightly more limited shall we say lol. :mrgreen:
Huh- is that true? most kids don't want to be with adults XD
I always did because they provided a sort of haven from the bullies, but the were also bullies as well at the same time.... it was a hit and miss :lol:
Ah, once I spoke I did speak in that stilted "overly formal" adult sort of way. Tends to make one not so popular with your peers :wink:
Yeah, I think it is immensely interesting to read what people post here. I learn so much about people just by reading this site haha. I feel like it is a lite version of the social interaction I am forced to deal with daily, much easier to put up with. :mrgreen:



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12 Feb 2016, 8:30 pm

I used to like to talk to the old ladies in the park when I was like 8 to 10. They would talk about what a great guy my dad was.

I hated it when records would skip--but CDs sound too perfect.



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12 Feb 2016, 8:32 pm

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On a previous episode she was the person they investigated. In that episode Sherlock deduced that she was autistic. It was directly mentioned there. I did find it odd they used the term Neuroatypical instead of Neurodiverse. But, that's probably my inexperience.


???? I have never seen this episode! Can someone point me to this?
Sorry if a bit off topic...I think it would be really interesting to see this dynamic.



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12 Feb 2016, 8:41 pm

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On a previous episode she was the person they investigated. In that episode Sherlock deduced that she was autistic. It was directly mentioned there. I did find it odd they used the term Neuroatypical instead of Neurodiverse. But, that's probably my inexperience.


???? I have never seen this episode! Can someone point me to this?
Sorry if a bit off topic...I think it would be really interesting to see this dynamic.
http://www.cbs.com/shows/elementary/video/3CD3AE99-4661-A77B-2C11-5C95F2DDB5D0/elementary-murder-ex-machina/

Season 4 episode 9 if you can't get that in another country or blocked for some reason.

It's still streamable. Just gotta put up with commercials.

And I was wrong, Sherlock did not deduce anything. It was explained. But, he apparently knows about it due to the questions he asks her.

Her first interaction is about the 12:15 minute mark.
Funniest line in that section: To the boss "He's Neurotypical." To Watson: "She's Neurotypical." At Sherlock: big pause..."I'm not sure what you are." I laughed my ass off on that one.

Even has a brief explanation about autism and that it's an array of different conditions and she prefers Neuroatypical 'because it's more accurate."

Edit, she's also the main focus of the last act. That eventually leads to last nights episode.


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12 Feb 2016, 9:24 pm

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Why aren't people mentioning the broader autism phenotype (B.A.P.) in this discussion?


It's annoying how there is so little information to read about the BAP.



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12 Feb 2016, 9:25 pm

zkydz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Yigeren wrote:
Again, just in case, I'm not attacking anyone; I'm questioning the reasoning behind the idea that autism is cured if one has found ways to overcome it.


Good question. When I went from level 3 to level 2, it was not a matter of being partially cured. Or that my autism went into partial remission. I guess overcame is an accurate enough term.

I said it before I will say again, I see people such as yourself, your writing and I have a difficult time believing that progress. Not that I doubt you.

I am high functioning. My communications are not as good as your's many times. It's just amazing when I see this.
Believe it or not, it give me hope.

Glad to see yer still around.......


This is actually somewhat common in autism. Where a certain section of the brain is unaffected and gives that accelerated abilities in that area. Like the person who posted to WP recently about his super human mathematical abilities. While I can write on maybe what seems a college level, my arithmetic abilities are more at the level of an 8 year old at best. In all cases except for my writing, my academic abilities are way below average. And even with writing, I do not understand things like adverbs and adjectives and all those other terms.



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12 Feb 2016, 9:27 pm

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zkydz wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Yigeren wrote:
Again, just in case, I'm not attacking anyone; I'm questioning the reasoning behind the idea that autism is cured if one has found ways to overcome it.


Good question. When I went from level 3 to level 2, it was not a matter of being partially cured. Or that my autism went into partial remission. I guess overcame is an accurate enough term.

I said it before I will say again, I see people such as yourself, your writing and I have a difficult time believing that progress. Not that I doubt you.

I am high functioning. My communications are not as good as your's many times. It's just amazing when I see this.
Believe it or not, it give me hope.

Glad to see yer still around.......


This is actually somewhat common in autism. Where a certain section of the brain is unaffected and gives that accelerated abilities in that area. Like the person who posted to WP recently about his super human mathematical abilities. While I can write on maybe what seems a college level, my arithmetic abilities are more at the level of an 8 year old at best. In all cases except for my writing, my academic abilities are way below average. And even with writing, I do not understand things like adverbs and adjectives and all those other terms.

It does give me hope. That is the most important thing right now.


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12 Feb 2016, 9:32 pm

I think another factor is that it is a compensation for not being able to converse verbally. I posted a couple of recordings where I was able to say a bunch of words on a list, and that is because of a lot of difficult speech therapy, but I am not able to string words together to talk in sentences. At least not yet. I still have hope myself that I will overcome that someday.



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12 Feb 2016, 9:33 pm

An adjective makes a noun come alive. Red is an adjective. It gives a ball, which is a noun, life. A red ball is lots richer than merely a ball.

An adverb makes an adjective (or a noun) come to life. It almost always ends with "ly." Lively is an adverb. The "lively red ball" is even richer than the "red ball."



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12 Feb 2016, 9:35 pm

After re-reading (and re-reading and re-reading and re-reading) i see people are talking about Progression.

I most definately beleive autistic people can progress WITH they're autism, though they never become less autistic they just find ways to adapt, sometimes using their autism to adapt.

People with some of the lowest form of functioning autism are proving this true everyday. My favourite example is Temple Grandin.

Adaptation is possible, but this is where my Point comes in and it supports it quite well actually.

People have been messaging me with their life stories saying how theyare very high functioning now but USED to be worse off, and that is what i have been trying to say. These people had symptoms that DID affect them and disable them, and they did overcome them but i dout entirely.

Going way back to the begining of my statement, how i beleive somepeople are convinved they are autistic when they just arent disabled enough, would NOT be affected at childhood.

I'd like to thank people or sending me their stories and giving me some insight into how their diagnoses works and help my thought process clarify. i still believe there are people out there far too mild to be considered autistic and kinda just looking for a place to fit in. (now, this is my last statement on the subject then im putting it down, because im loosing hair over this.)


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12 Feb 2016, 9:37 pm

You have pretty hair. Don't lose too much hair over this.