Did(Do) you hold your pencil funny when you write?

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23 Apr 2007, 4:40 pm

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no camera, sorry. but you roll the sides up so your tongue forms a kind of tube. am i some kind of freak?apparently its an inherited ability.


OMG. My husband can do that and spit through it too. I had a friend in school who could stick her tongue in her nostril. And I would bend my fingers backwards and everyone would say: "ooooh gross!." :lol:


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23 Apr 2007, 4:41 pm

You can see why skinny pens/pencils would be an issue for me...

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23 Apr 2007, 5:42 pm

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Same here. One day when I was about ten, my parents shocked me by pointing out that I always held my fork "cave man" style. I'd never even noticed that I was doing it differently than anyone else, and when they showed me the normal way I thought it looked like a ridiculous balancing act.


I remember thinking that too when I saw how other people held forks and spoons. Uneeded effort for a "balancing act". Also I hold pens/pencils close to the tip because it gives me more control over where I'm writing. This may be due to problems with coordination/motor skills. I never thought about how I write, but my joint bends just like in the picture. The readability/quality of my writing varied by mood, so I don't know if it was this that caused me to write bad or not.



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24 Apr 2007, 12:42 am

I can make the "tube tongue."...but weirder(to me)some can make a ...W tongue... 8O ....try that one.


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24 Apr 2007, 3:35 am

mrsry wrote:
You can see why skinny pens/pencils would be an issue for me...

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I used to write like that as a kid until I was about 12 or 13, then I managed to write almost like most people do, with a little difference. The "normal" way is holding the pen with the first and middle finger and pushing it with the thumb, which I have been told. I hold the pen by pressing it with the thumb and first finger and using the middle finger as support.

I also use the knife and fork the "wrong" way, I hold the fork with the right hand and use the knife with my left, I used to think that was normal but I have been told that is not the way to do it unless I am left handed, but I am right handed.



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24 Apr 2007, 4:47 am

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Nope, not normal. I would say the angle is greater than 45 and less than 90. A neurologist told me it is a neurological soft sign. It is X-linked and also found in Fragile X syndrome.
The standard pencil grip is called the tripod (I had to research this). There is no bending back last joint of the index finger.

Here is the tripod grip:

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Different fingers can bend back more. My left index is more that 45 degrees my right is about 45 which is my writing hand. My mum has it. She is the least AS. I would say my dad is most likely AS and I remember correctly his fingers are quite stiff. Will have to see. Not sure if my mum has another neurological condition. I would say she is very neurotic but very typical sociable person. Is it culturally linked? My mum is Latin American. There are quite a lot of genetic problems where she comes from. My dad has the weirdest writing I've ever seen. his 'e' is quite unique.

Because of this I'm inclined to bend my finger the other way, so the end is perpendicular to the pencil and it sorts of bends back and forth as I move my hand (:cringe:). My thumb slips over the top and my index under.



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Oh my god that's hideous!! !! :lol:

And my arm is so hairy!! ! 8O :oops:


Trust me, that ain't THAT hairy. My arms beat yours anyday ;)


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24 Apr 2007, 5:41 am

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scrulie wrote:
Oh my god that's hideous!! !! :lol:

And my arm is so hairy!! ! 8O :oops:


Trust me, that ain't THAT hairy. My arms beat yours anyday ;)


Yeah, but you're a bloke! :lol:


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24 Apr 2007, 6:40 am

Wow, some of my fingers can bend like that picture, actually those are one of my few joints who bend easily LOL. But I never do it when I write...

I can't do anything spectacular with my tongue... I am rather limited in that subject. However, I can seperate my little toe from my "ring toe" by about 1 cm without using my hands to do so.



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24 Apr 2007, 6:49 am

Ironically, it is part of my job to point out when my students have bad handwriting. I pray that they don't notice the atrocious way I hold my pen--they notice everything!

Speaking of which, how far backward does your knee bend? I never thought anything of my knees being able to bend backwards when I stand, until my students from different schools freaked out about how gross it was. One knee is not able to go back as far because I've had surgery, but it still does a little. I just thought it was something that everyone could do until the kids started screaming!



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24 Apr 2007, 7:17 am

Yeah, I hold my writing utensils "wrong". I didn't realize it until my b*tch of a 4th grade teacher took it upon herself to single me out and mention it in front of the entire class, along with the unnecessarily rude comment, "I can't BELIEVE your MOTHER never TAUGHT you how to hold a PENCIL!"

I will never forget that. It made me terribly mad, not just because she just had to bring it up in front of the whole class, but she made a very inflammatory remark about my mother, whom I was very protective over as a child. Some people do more damage than good as teachers, and she was one of them. She was a mean, condescending person.


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24 Apr 2007, 8:09 am

tigerlily wrote:
no camera, sorry. but you roll the sides up so your tongue forms a kind of tube. am i some kind of freak?apparently its an inherited ability.


If I'm understanding that right, I can do that too.



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Different fingers can bend back more. My left index is more that 45 degrees my right is about 45 which is my writing hand. My mum has it. She is the least AS. I would say my dad is most likely AS and I remember correctly his fingers are quite stiff. Will have to see. Not sure if my mum has another neurological condition. I would say she is very neurotic but very typical sociable person. Is it culturally linked? My mum is Latin American. There are quite a lot of genetic problems where she comes from. My dad has the weirdest writing I've ever seen. his 'e' is quite unique.


My finger bend appears to be more pronounced that yours. Some of my fingers bend about 90 degrees. From my understanding, it is genetically linked and can be benign (except for a correlation with arthritis) and also coexists with Fragile X, mental retardation, Costello Syndrome, Borjeson-Fossman-Lehmann Syndrome, Pitt-Rogers-Danks Syndrome, Marfan's Syndrome, Ehlers-Danks Syndrome, Lujan-Fryns syndrome, and genius musicians such as Paganini and Rachmaninoff. There used to be a question on the Aspie Quiz about loose joints. I don't know if anyone is investigating in the context of AS. I became aware of it because a neurologist pointed it out.

My knees also bend backwards more so than usual. My husband has this knee quirk also. Locking his knees can cause him to faint.


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24 Apr 2007, 10:31 am

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Different fingers can bend back more. My left index is more that 45 degrees my right is about 45 which is my writing hand. My mum has it. She is the least AS. I would say my dad is most likely AS and I remember correctly his fingers are quite stiff. Will have to see. Not sure if my mum has another neurological condition. I would say she is very neurotic but very typical sociable person. Is it culturally linked? My mum is Latin American. There are quite a lot of genetic problems where she comes from. My dad has the weirdest writing I've ever seen. his 'e' is quite unique.


My finger bend appears to be more pronounced that yours. Some of my fingers bend about 90 degrees. From my understanding, it is genetically linked and can be benign (except for a correlation with arthritis) and also coexists with Fragile X, mental retardation, Costello Syndrome, Borjeson-Fossman-Lehmann Syndrome, Pitt-Rogers-Danks Syndrome, Marfan's Syndrome, Ehlers-Danks Syndrome, Lujan-Fryns syndrome, and genius musicians such as Paganini and Rachmaninoff. There used to be a question on the Aspie Quiz about loose joints. I don't know if anyone is investigating in the context of AS. I became aware of it because a neurologist pointed it out.

My knees also bend backwards more so than usual. My husband has this knee quirk also. Locking his knees can cause him to faint.


I don't have this knee quirk but if I did it would probably cause me to faint also 8O sill not sure that my joint are loose just I can do the finger thing, I'm not sure if it is significant enough. Interestingly my dad's barely bends at all.



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24 Apr 2007, 11:20 am

well i know another aspie ,not related, who has some webbed toes like me. second and third on both feet, .......so i have wondered. . . .



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25 Apr 2007, 3:36 am

I remember being told, as a child (when I was younger than seven years old) that I couldn't hold my pencil or pen right, and held it in my fist pretty much like one holds a stick or something. It took some time before I learned to hold it the proper way. I just didn't like it, for some reason, and the fist grip felt a lot more comfortable. But then I don't know how long I kept doing this.

I'm not sure if I hold the pen or pencil weird when I write now, but I do have difficulties writing by hand. My fingers always seem to be stiff and don't obey me, so my hand gets tired too easily. I have to make frequent breaks and shake it or flex my fingers in order to go on. I could never write quickly enough either, so I don't keep up with lectures and have to ask my fellow students for their notes. My handwriting is plain atrocious - I can hardly understand it myself, let alone anyone else. That is, I can write very neatly, in nice rounded letters, but it takes ages (sometimes I spend half an hour writing a single postcard to a friend) and it makes my hand extremely tired. And, whenever I stop consciously paying attention to what I write, and start to write faster, my handwriting quickly deteriorates and becomes illegible. I don't know if this could be some coordination/muscle tone problem left over from cerebral palsy or something else.