What would you do if an aspie threatened to commit suicide?
I would explain the faults in coming to any decision whatsoever when one is not in a rational frame of mind. Important judgements deserve and demand a clarity of thought as a matter of courtesy if nothing else. If it were someone I liked, I would also explain my own reasoning as to why I consider such a step a really bad idea.
I've considered suicide a few times in my life. I was not interested in hearing anybody else's opinion. I did not want to be talked out of it. I needed to make that decision myself. The reasons for it were valid. It just happens that my reasons for not doing it outweighed the reasons to do it. I didn't need or want anyone to talk to me about it. Maybe others reasons for doing it outweigh their reasons not to do it. That is their personal decision.
Other times, just in casual conversation the topic of suicide came up. I wasn't suicidal at all. But for some reason others reacted in the most negative fashion. It's like the most horrible thing that can possibly happen. So what this tells me is that if I were suicidal, the last thing I would want to do is talk about it.
What would be even more condescending is the ones who would display the fake attempt at caring. Our society has for some reason made people believe that they must prevent suicides. Why? In some cultures, it is perfectly acceptable. I think many of the major religions are the source. "All life is precious" or "You'll go to H***"
Social services is by definition socialism. This is basically the belief that the government is better at controlling your life than you are. To me, this would amount to torture. So if someone called them for me, it would probably just put me over the edge.
I agree with LogicGenerator. I would talk to someone (Aspie or not) who is suicidal but not from a position of trying to talk them out of it, rather trying to clarify that this is the right solution for them. I've been suicidal and didn't tell anyone because I didn't want anyone to try and talk me out of it with the usual empty platitudes.
I strongly believe that everyone has the right to be responsible for their own death, as long as they don't try to take others with them and they minimise the mess left behind as much as possible.
That's a great series. The radio production is very much worth listening to, as well.
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re. Suicidal and talking about it:
Most people who commit suicide have talked to someone about it beforehand. I think this is because people who are suicidal don't generally want to die--they are just in a situation they believe is worse than death, and if they had any other option, they would take it. They just don't see other options.
Talking about it is one way that a suicidal person may try to find a way to get around the problem they see--that is, a life that is so unacceptable that death is better--by finding a third option.
The thing about being suicidal is that, if you're so depressed to have truly lost every single scrap of will to live, then you are also so depressed that you don't have the planning skills to peel yourself off your bed and find a way to commit suicide. So if you are just a little bit less depressed than that, you have the ability to plan enough and move enough to commit suicide--but you also have a little bit of will to live.
That is why people who are suicidal talk about it. It's because they find themselves trying to choose between two horrible options, and they wish there were a third option that wasn't so horrible. So they mention it, casually, and hope something happens. You give somebody who's suicidal a way out of that choice of either suicide or fate-worse-than-death, and convince him it's real, and ninety-nine times out of a hundred, he'll take it.
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I'd try to be there friend & figure out why they want to kill themselves. I've been suicidal before & I used to have suicidal idealization years ago. I was extremely lonely & frustrated with things in my life. I felt like no one understood or cared about me & I was a horrible person & the world would of been better off if I was never conceived/existed. I think a lot of suicidal people having similar feelings & when they talk about suicide they are not really wanting someone to talk em out of it; they are hoping someone cares enough to try. I think in some cases having someone they can talk to who wants to understand & cares can be a lot more beneficial than a doc/psych/counselor ect trying to rationalize why they shouldn't kill themselves. I've chatted with a few people online who wer suicidal. I kinda felt like I got true to em & was more help to em than their family & docs wer
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Even if only 10% of people who talk about suicide ever attempt, it still makes a great deal of sense to respond to it.
Say your friend's aiming a gun at his head. It's got nine blanks and one real bullet. Do you let him pull the trigger, or do you tell him to stop?
"Each person should decide for himself"? But depression warps your outlook to the point that you cannot see the possibility of a good thing anymore. People who are depressed are not thinking clearly enough to make that decision rationally.
(Uhm. I do know that a blank at that close range will probably kill your friend anyway. So pretend that they won't, for the sake of the analogy...)
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I would ask him to reconsider it but I'm not forcing anything. I am not about to say that the conclusions they have made on life are worth less than mine because their perception is "warped". As AS people, I point out there are many who would think just as little of our points of view.
So although I am always prepared to share my views, I'm not going to take someone's choice away.
i must say the positivity is astonding on this line of responses. though i believe that suicide is a last ditch effort. i believe that some of us simply can not have quote normal life. it seem that the majority of the reponders are early 20 somthings which is a good catagory for this add. i'm sure most of us had a hell of a time in high school. we were picked on or simply didn't fit in. i wasn't bullies but i was dicrimnated most of my school troubles wewre from teacher who simply didin't like me. the allienation caused me many attepmt to end it let face it your 17 and they tell your worthless you start to believe it eventually.
i think the most dangerous time for an aspie is their 20;s since you are just finding your path in life. many of us start to feel alone when our friends satrt to hook up and we find ourselves cramping thier style. also our friends may marry and it looks odd for a mattied person to hang with someone who rarelly if ever dates its not our sin to fall out of place with our soceity. i think my worst years so far have been the last few i tried and succeded in the army only to be forced out for no other reson that i was autistic . two of my best friends don't like me anymore because they say thier wifes don't like me. i give them the creeps. i sadly am not looking for sex so my gf list is short since regardless of what our minsters say EVERYONE IS f*****g so i have to wait for the modern men to run through any of thr health femlaes this s**t will start to wear your spirts down
my only answer is the time tested punk quote
STAND YOUR GROUND
and remenber you never walk alone in life
and most importantly it can'rt rain al the time . considering that my greatest fear is to be the stereotypicsal aspie i find my fear ar baited by forced ha[p[ppiness
