Would everyone please start smiling in their pictures?

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28 Jan 2009, 4:40 pm

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It then appeared on the front cover of the local paper the next week.


That sounds a bit harsh 8O.

Were you given prior notice?

What had you all done to deserve that? :lol: *joking*

I've been in the paper before, but that was a genuine smile (I was playing around with gadgets!). I was told it was going to be in the paper so I didn't mind, I was having fun anyway, so I couldn't fake it.



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28 Jan 2009, 4:56 pm

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I'm a bit confused by something:

I've been reading a lot of posts from people who say they have a hard time "understanding" or perceiving context, subtext, inflection, innuendo. Yet in other posts they claim to know when something is false or fake- either in someone else or in themselves.
As it applies to this particular thread I'm intetrested in knowing from those who believe they appear fake, demented or worse when they fake a smile; quite frankly, how would you know?
I always kinda assumed that most people with Asperger's are pretty literal- so I get the idea of not smiling because you don't feel happy. But what I don't get is how you would know that anyone else would know you're faking it?
Am I making sense?

That's not true in general. Also, there's a big difference between reading natural emotion and reading culturally relative subtexts. I don't have any problem with the former.

I think I've read that there was a study somewhere that showed that it was nearly impossible for someone to have a genuine smile without any accompanying positive emotion. There are always subtle differences, especially around the eyes, between the smiles of people experiencing positive emotion and people who aren't. They literally attached sensors to peoples faces to map the facial expressions with simultaneous brain scans. It's certainly detectable to many people including myself.



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28 Jan 2009, 7:23 pm

re: original topic:

When I was last at my mother's house, I looked through all of the old photo albums there. The earliest picture of me smiling was age 11. I had just won a State-wide fishing contest, and fishing/fish was my special interest at the time.



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28 Jan 2009, 9:36 pm

I've probably always been able to smile. If I wasn't depressed or panicky, I was often silly - and told to grow up more times than I can count. I stopped smiling for a long time because I though people took my smiling in different ways than I intended. Now, unless I'm genuinely happy, I smile to try to get through social situations. Smiling seems to help.

An early example of giggling after my Saturday-night bath, sister at right. Date, about 1967.

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29 Jan 2009, 8:33 am

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Try and be a LITTLE neurotypical.


Why - when we are not? Do you become a little neurotypical by making a fake smile?? Hmmm... I don't want to know what will make you very neurotypical then! 8O

BTW sometimes it seems to me that it could be appropriate to tell NTs to try and be a little bit aspie. :wink: Or how? (just kidding.)

And yes I can smile and do it often. In pictures too. But I don't expect that others need to be the same way. (Hey, wasn't that an NT-ish empathetic-like Theory of Mind thing?! :lol: Just kidding again.)



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29 Jan 2009, 9:44 am

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I'd smile if it wasn't such a strain and didn't look like I was w*king all the time.

I'd have to be genuinely amused to do so, so from eight-ish onwards I haven't really grinned in a photo. Bar one day when I was definitely put off for life—it was a photo of the year at school in year six (all 13 of us) and I remembered something hilarious the second the photo went off, and the result was of me with mouth agape with laughter. It then appeared on the front cover of the local paper the next week.


:lmao:


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29 Jan 2009, 11:02 am

see avatar to the left.

oh, and by the way smiling or non-smiling has nothiung to do with whether you are on the spectrum or not. somehave a flat affect and some do not. i have an overly exrepssive face wtih quite a few stretches andlittle tics that happen when the stressors rise. and i also have quite abit of stimming.
my autistic nephew has a smile that is so frigging fantastic that it lights up a room.

i reckon some of these non-smiling supposedly AS photos are just people who THINK they should adhere to the stereotypical view of AS - flat afffect blah blah blah, which leads one to ask - what is their frame of reference.

i actually like this thread as it attempts to break down the stereotypes.



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29 Jan 2009, 11:16 am

millie wrote:
oh, and by the way smiling or non-smiling has nothiung to do with whether you are on the spectrum or not. somehave a flat affect and some do not.

i reckon some of these non-smiling supposedly AS photos are just people who THINK they should adhere to the stereotypical view of AS - flat afffect blah blah blah, which leads one to ask - what is their frame of reference.


Well I agree with this to a certain extent because 'always' and 'everyone' never apply. I do feel that the reason I don't like to smile in pictures is because of my complete inability to act or 'fake' things that I don't really feel which I feel has something to do with my being on the spectrum (in retrospect because I didn't grow up knowing about HFA or AS like some people here). But jmo *shrug*



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29 Jan 2009, 11:20 am

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millie wrote:
oh, and by the way smiling or non-smiling has nothiung to do with whether you are on the spectrum or not. somehave a flat affect and some do not.

i reckon some of these non-smiling supposedly AS photos are just people who THINK they should adhere to the stereotypical view of AS - flat afffect blah blah blah, which leads one to ask - what is their frame of reference.


Well I agree with this to a certain extent because 'always' and 'everyone' never apply. I do feel that the reason I don't like to smile in pictures is because of my complete inability to act or 'fake' things that I don't really feel which I feel has something to do with my being on the spectrum (in retrospect because I didn't grow up knowing about HFA or AS like some people here). But jmo *shrug*



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yeah, but mith,,,you are excluded from the above comment.

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29 Jan 2009, 11:21 am

I am smiling, but not so much. The zig would fall out if gave my best smile :D


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29 Jan 2009, 11:23 am

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I am smiling, but not so much. The zig would fall out if gave my best smile :D


yeah but you look cool and so that breaks yet anohter stereotype that we all have to look like geeks and dweebs. so you are excused too, mosez the man.......

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29 Jan 2009, 11:46 am

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I am smiling, but not so much. The zig would fall out if gave my best smile :D


yeah but you look cool and so that breaks yet anohter stereotype that we all have to look like geeks and dweebs. so you are excused too, mosez the man.......

:wink:

Thank's millie, I struggled very hard to look cool on that picture. I'm usually not very relaxed when my picture is taken, especially not when I take it myself. I couldn't quite relax, so I lit a zig, felt very relaxed and shot the picture :D


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29 Jan 2009, 11:47 am

Personally, I feel fake if I smile for a picture. About the only time I smile is if I'm laughing---then it's beyond a smile. Smiling is very awkward for me in posing for pictures. When I get my portraits taken for our school yearbooks (I am a teacher of the gifted), I tell them that I don't like to smile in the pictures after they tell me to smile. I don't care what others think of me. If I look like an Aspie, then so what...I am an Aspie and proud of it. :)



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29 Jan 2009, 12:01 pm

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millie wrote:
oh, and by the way smiling or non-smiling has nothiung to do with whether you are on the spectrum or not. somehave a flat affect and some do not.

i reckon some of these non-smiling supposedly AS photos are just people who THINK they should adhere to the stereotypical view of AS - flat afffect blah blah blah, which leads one to ask - what is their frame of reference.


Well I agree with this to a certain extent because 'always' and 'everyone' never apply. I do feel that the reason I don't like to smile in pictures is because of my complete inability to act or 'fake' things that I don't really feel which I feel has something to do with my being on the spectrum (in retrospect because I didn't grow up knowing about HFA or AS like some people here). But jmo *shrug*



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yeah, but mith,,,you are excluded from the above comment.

disclaimer: mith is always excluded from any barbed comment i forthwith make on WP.


:lol: Lol!! Ok I'll remember that in the future haha.
You look lovely in your avatar, by the way Millie.



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29 Jan 2009, 12:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Kaysea wrote:
ShadesOfMe wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
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I look deranged when I smile.

Observe:
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I like my non-smiling face better.


Nice pic!


Yeah, cute! actually I think you don't look so good in the unsmiling pic. You look angry and unhappy. I like the smiling pic, it brightens up your face.


I would say that the un-smiling one looks rather mysterious.


I think you look great when you smile. Genuinely happy. With a broad smile like that I am sure you could get some good results. You are like me when you frown. You are capable of looking much more broody and glum than some. Much morose. I am the same way, when I frown I look far more morose than some people. Ever notice how some people don't even look unhappy when they are scowling?


Both those pics look great but what really gets me is your profile pic. It's mesmerising.


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29 Jan 2009, 12:15 pm

thank you mith. i am a big kid wth who still has massive meltdowns and stims lots when under stress.
i am a dab mimic and yesterday my cat meows were once again mistaken for the real thing - so i am in a PARTICULARLY good mood this morning at 4am.

i really do do magpie calls in the supermarket.....





and glider 18, checked out your tatts as you know....
my forearm is now emblazoned in a big red and blue start.
and the tattooist remarked that i have the most pathetically low pain threshold.....he kpt having to ask me to stop the moving and stimming.

leetle does he know, zees man who makes dee tattoos, zat i am a aspie stimmer.


ps. glenn gould is my current god