On this whole AS="genius" thing...
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TBH I find it kind of odd that so many on the spectrum do have these genius AND BEYOND IQ scores.
I know it's fact, I don't think anyone is lying lol.
I know it's fact, I don't think anyone is lying lol.
Erm, google 'IQ tests' and check out the threads (yahoo answers, for example) - a very high percentage of the people replying to those topics are people particularly interested in the subject and they tend to have either got a low score they perceive as unfair or 130+ one. In reality, most people in any control group should be getting around 100 so all this means is that most people aren't very interested in the thread. If you want to see a proper distribution of IQ scores on Aspies then you need to read a study on it.
dalurker wrote:
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dalurker wrote:
Why not just admit that they're wasting the mental faculties they have and don't deserve them? That being intelligent doesn't make one care enough to do something meaningful with their aptitude?
Why not just admit that the whole IQ thing is flawed?
Because it isn't.
It is in my case. I am not as intelligent as my IQ scores imply. I am just really good at figuring out how to score high on those exams. Tell me how this helps me in real life?
I will provide a concrete example. When I was in elementary school, I scored high on all the placement exams, the initial intelligence evaluations, and the standardized tests even though I made plenty of Fs on my report card and was generally considered a very poor student. Teachers could not figure out why. I received lecturing which did not help. I could not explain the problem. They did not know what they were talking about. According to my test scores, I should have had As in every class. I should have been a star student. The test scores prevented me from getting the learning assistance I needed to succeed as a student.
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Sociological conditions and technological innovations (such as the development of writing, the invention of the printing press, the advent of the computer) determine what particular mental abilities are most valued during a given period; these prized abilities are considered, by themselves, to be the marks of high intelligence. In short, the definition of intelligence changes with the times; so, too, should our means of evaluating it.
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It doesn't matter if you found a few high-IQ people who haven't "advanced humanity," that's not what IQ measures, and it remains the best predictor for success in life.
Didn't someone already debunk that? Because IQ tests don't predict squat asides from a vulnerability to depression.
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It doesn't matter if you found a few high-IQ people who haven't "advanced humanity," that's not what IQ measures, and it remains the best predictor for success in life.
Didn't someone already debunk that? Because IQ tests don't predict squat asides from a vulnerability to depression.
By original definition IQ tests predict chance of academic success. That is what they are built for and that is what they are good at.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It is in my case. I am not as intelligent as my IQ scores imply. I am just really good at figuring out how to score high on those exams. Tell me how this helps me in real life?
I will provide a concrete example. When I was in elementary school, I scored high on all the placement exams, the initial intelligence evaluations, and the standardized tests even though I made plenty of Fs on my report card and was generally considered a very poor student. Teachers could not figure out why. I received lecturing which did not help. I could not explain the problem. They did not know what they were talking about. According to my test scores, I should have had As in every class. I should have been a star student. The test scores prevented me from getting the learning assistance I needed to succeed as a student.
I will provide a concrete example. When I was in elementary school, I scored high on all the placement exams, the initial intelligence evaluations, and the standardized tests even though I made plenty of Fs on my report card and was generally considered a very poor student. Teachers could not figure out why. I received lecturing which did not help. I could not explain the problem. They did not know what they were talking about. According to my test scores, I should have had As in every class. I should have been a star student. The test scores prevented me from getting the learning assistance I needed to succeed as a student.
Why didn't you learn? What learning assistance? If I had a high enough IQ, I wouldn't be kissing up to those I'm dealing with now, and would be succeeding on my own.
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It doesn't matter if you found a few high-IQ people who haven't "advanced humanity," that's not what IQ measures, and it remains the best predictor for success in life.
Didn't someone already debunk that? Because IQ tests don't predict squat asides from a vulnerability to depression.
Why are you denying science?
dalurker wrote:
Phonic wrote:
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It doesn't matter if you found a few high-IQ people who haven't "advanced humanity," that's not what IQ measures, and it remains the best predictor for success in life.
Didn't someone already debunk that? Because IQ tests don't predict squat asides from a vulnerability to depression.
Why are you denying science?
Science in this case shows two separate things.
A high IQ can well lead to depression, because you are capable of understand more negatives, and also capable of understanding what is negative about you and your actions.
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A high IQ can well lead to depression, because you are capable of understand more negatives, and also capable of understanding what is negative about you and your actions.
You're also better at devising negative actions against adversaries, and getting rid of negatives.
dalurker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
A high IQ can well lead to depression, because you are capable of understand more negatives, and also capable of understanding what is negative about you and your actions.
You're also better at devising negative actions against adversaries, and getting rid of negatives.
Sometimes. That depends on your personality. Some people are just negative, pessimistic types like I am.
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dalurker wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It is in my case. I am not as intelligent as my IQ scores imply. I am just really good at figuring out how to score high on those exams. Tell me how this helps me in real life?
I will provide a concrete example. When I was in elementary school, I scored high on all the placement exams, the initial intelligence evaluations, and the standardized tests even though I made plenty of Fs on my report card and was generally considered a very poor student. Teachers could not figure out why. I received lecturing which did not help. I could not explain the problem. They did not know what they were talking about. According to my test scores, I should have had As in every class. I should have been a star student. The test scores prevented me from getting the learning assistance I needed to succeed as a student.
I will provide a concrete example. When I was in elementary school, I scored high on all the placement exams, the initial intelligence evaluations, and the standardized tests even though I made plenty of Fs on my report card and was generally considered a very poor student. Teachers could not figure out why. I received lecturing which did not help. I could not explain the problem. They did not know what they were talking about. According to my test scores, I should have had As in every class. I should have been a star student. The test scores prevented me from getting the learning assistance I needed to succeed as a student.
Why didn't you learn? What learning assistance? If I had a high enough IQ, I wouldn't be kissing up to those I'm dealing with now, and would be succeeding on my own.
I doubt my IQ is as high as these exams and quizzes reflect or else I would be succeeding on my own aswell. Must be more to it than that?
I still struggle in determining the relationship between myself and that period in my life. I might have benefited from having tutors. My main problem is that I was so bored in school. I mainly wanted to retreat into a make believe world of horses, stories about horses and drawing horses and I wanted to tell the kids sitting around me about it while they (and I) were supposed to be doing assignments.
Resulting from my behavior, I merited many labels, such as, immature, lazy, stupid, incorrigible, etc. I was lectured repeatedly on missing school or not doing my work, especially in the 9th grade. That was the turning point for me, when I found myself face to face with a guidance counselor who demanded that I attend school every day of the week and confronted me about my low grades and high test scores. That was the scariest time I experienced in school. I had no answers for her questions and I was scared to death of having to meet with her, especially if I missed a day.
I really enjoyed literature classes though, and psychology. In fact, I made the best grades of my entire school career in a psychology class where I was one of only two that made a 100% on the final exam. It dumbfounded the teacher because he, like all the others, was convinced I was dumb as stumps. I really loved that class and made a B+. I would have made an A if I hadn't missed so much class. In fact, my absenteeism is why I ended up having to take the final.
Sometimes, the psychology teacher would belittle the class and I was very sensitive to this sort of thing and it would be enough to make me stay in bed the next day with the covers over my head not wanting to ever return to school again. I still loved the subject though and was thoroughly fascinated by the different theories. We got to make our own Rorschach tests. That was the best time I had in school with my 10th grade English class coming in second.
By the time I attended college, my feelings toward psychology had changed so drastically, I could not figure out why I loved the class so much in high school. By then I found myself bored and unable to focus on the text book. I still made a B though, same as in my high school psychology class.
dalurker wrote:
abacacus wrote:
A high IQ can well lead to depression, because you are capable of understand more negatives, and also capable of understanding what is negative about you and your actions.
You're also better at devising negative actions against adversaries, and getting rid of negatives.
That reminds me of this cartoon:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I doubt my IQ is as high as these exams and quizzes reflect or else I would be succeeding on my own aswell. Must be more to it than that?
I still struggle in determining the relationship between myself and that period in my life. I might have benefited from having tutors. My main problem is that I was so bored in school. I mainly wanted to retreat into a make believe world of horses, stories about horses and drawing horses and I wanted to tell the kids sitting around me about it while they (and I) were supposed to be doing assignments.
Resulting from my behavior, I merited many labels, such as, immature, lazy, stupid, incorrigible, etc. I was lectured repeatedly on missing school or not doing my work, especially in the 9th grade. That was the turning point for me, when I found myself face to face with a guidance counselor who demanded that I attend school every day of the week and confronted me about my low grades and high test scores. That was the scariest time I experienced in school. I had no answers for her questions and I was scared to death of having to meet with her, especially if I missed a day.
I really enjoyed literature classes though, and psychology. In fact, I made the best grades of my entire school career in a psychology class where I was one of only two that made a 100% on the final exam. It dumbfounded the teacher because he, like all the others, was convinced I was dumb as stumps. I really loved that class and made a B+. I would have made an A if I hadn't missed so much class. In fact, my absenteeism is why I ended up having to take the final.
Sometimes, the psychology teacher would belittle the class and I was very sensitive to this sort of thing and it would be enough to make me stay in bed the next day with the covers over my head not wanting to ever return to school again. I still loved the subject though and was thoroughly fascinated by the different theories. We got to make our own Rorschach tests. That was the best time I had in school with my 10th grade English class coming in second.
By the time I attended college, my feelings toward psychology had changed so drastically, I could not figure out why I loved the class so much in high school. By then I found myself bored and unable to focus on the text book. I still made a B though, same as in my high school psychology class.
I still struggle in determining the relationship between myself and that period in my life. I might have benefited from having tutors. My main problem is that I was so bored in school. I mainly wanted to retreat into a make believe world of horses, stories about horses and drawing horses and I wanted to tell the kids sitting around me about it while they (and I) were supposed to be doing assignments.
Resulting from my behavior, I merited many labels, such as, immature, lazy, stupid, incorrigible, etc. I was lectured repeatedly on missing school or not doing my work, especially in the 9th grade. That was the turning point for me, when I found myself face to face with a guidance counselor who demanded that I attend school every day of the week and confronted me about my low grades and high test scores. That was the scariest time I experienced in school. I had no answers for her questions and I was scared to death of having to meet with her, especially if I missed a day.
I really enjoyed literature classes though, and psychology. In fact, I made the best grades of my entire school career in a psychology class where I was one of only two that made a 100% on the final exam. It dumbfounded the teacher because he, like all the others, was convinced I was dumb as stumps. I really loved that class and made a B+. I would have made an A if I hadn't missed so much class. In fact, my absenteeism is why I ended up having to take the final.
Sometimes, the psychology teacher would belittle the class and I was very sensitive to this sort of thing and it would be enough to make me stay in bed the next day with the covers over my head not wanting to ever return to school again. I still loved the subject though and was thoroughly fascinated by the different theories. We got to make our own Rorschach tests. That was the best time I had in school with my 10th grade English class coming in second.
By the time I attended college, my feelings toward psychology had changed so drastically, I could not figure out why I loved the class so much in high school. By then I found myself bored and unable to focus on the text book. I still made a B though, same as in my high school psychology class.
Being too bored and lazy to learn and daydreaming doesn't disprove an IQ or the validity of the test. Not much can be learned if there is no exposure to pre-existing knowledge. You didn't operate your intelligence. You don't have anything to be scared of.
dalurker wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I doubt my IQ is as high as these exams and quizzes reflect or else I would be succeeding on my own aswell. Must be more to it than that?
I still struggle in determining the relationship between myself and that period in my life. I might have benefited from having tutors. My main problem is that I was so bored in school. I mainly wanted to retreat into a make believe world of horses, stories about horses and drawing horses and I wanted to tell the kids sitting around me about it while they (and I) were supposed to be doing assignments.
Resulting from my behavior, I merited many labels, such as, immature, lazy, stupid, incorrigible, etc. I was lectured repeatedly on missing school or not doing my work, especially in the 9th grade. That was the turning point for me, when I found myself face to face with a guidance counselor who demanded that I attend school every day of the week and confronted me about my low grades and high test scores. That was the scariest time I experienced in school. I had no answers for her questions and I was scared to death of having to meet with her, especially if I missed a day.
I really enjoyed literature classes though, and psychology. In fact, I made the best grades of my entire school career in a psychology class where I was one of only two that made a 100% on the final exam. It dumbfounded the teacher because he, like all the others, was convinced I was dumb as stumps. I really loved that class and made a B+. I would have made an A if I hadn't missed so much class. In fact, my absenteeism is why I ended up having to take the final.
Sometimes, the psychology teacher would belittle the class and I was very sensitive to this sort of thing and it would be enough to make me stay in bed the next day with the covers over my head not wanting to ever return to school again. I still loved the subject though and was thoroughly fascinated by the different theories. We got to make our own Rorschach tests. That was the best time I had in school with my 10th grade English class coming in second.
By the time I attended college, my feelings toward psychology had changed so drastically, I could not figure out why I loved the class so much in high school. By then I found myself bored and unable to focus on the text book. I still made a B though, same as in my high school psychology class.
I still struggle in determining the relationship between myself and that period in my life. I might have benefited from having tutors. My main problem is that I was so bored in school. I mainly wanted to retreat into a make believe world of horses, stories about horses and drawing horses and I wanted to tell the kids sitting around me about it while they (and I) were supposed to be doing assignments.
Resulting from my behavior, I merited many labels, such as, immature, lazy, stupid, incorrigible, etc. I was lectured repeatedly on missing school or not doing my work, especially in the 9th grade. That was the turning point for me, when I found myself face to face with a guidance counselor who demanded that I attend school every day of the week and confronted me about my low grades and high test scores. That was the scariest time I experienced in school. I had no answers for her questions and I was scared to death of having to meet with her, especially if I missed a day.
I really enjoyed literature classes though, and psychology. In fact, I made the best grades of my entire school career in a psychology class where I was one of only two that made a 100% on the final exam. It dumbfounded the teacher because he, like all the others, was convinced I was dumb as stumps. I really loved that class and made a B+. I would have made an A if I hadn't missed so much class. In fact, my absenteeism is why I ended up having to take the final.
Sometimes, the psychology teacher would belittle the class and I was very sensitive to this sort of thing and it would be enough to make me stay in bed the next day with the covers over my head not wanting to ever return to school again. I still loved the subject though and was thoroughly fascinated by the different theories. We got to make our own Rorschach tests. That was the best time I had in school with my 10th grade English class coming in second.
By the time I attended college, my feelings toward psychology had changed so drastically, I could not figure out why I loved the class so much in high school. By then I found myself bored and unable to focus on the text book. I still made a B though, same as in my high school psychology class.
Being too bored and lazy to learn and daydreaming doesn't disprove an IQ or the validity of the test. Not much can be learned if there is no exposure to pre-existing knowledge. You didn't operate your intelligence. You don't have anything to be scared of.
My understanding is people with high IQs would be able to zip through all the schoolwork in no time flat, and are placed in grades above their grade level because they find the school work too easy, they complete it very quickly and accurately and they are, generally, straight A students. That is what I thought having a high IQ meant. I was not like that. In fact, I didn't even like finishing papers. I answered maybe one question and that was all I wanted to do. What I really needed were tutors and a different approach to mathematics, in particular.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
My understanding is people with high IQs would be able to zip through all the schoolwork in no time flat, and are placed in grades above their grade level because they find the school work too easy, they complete it very quickly and accurately and they are, generally, straight A students. That is what I thought having a high IQ meant. I was not like that. In fact, I didn't even like finishing papers. I answered maybe one question and that was all I wanted to do. What I really needed were tutors and a different approach to mathematics, in particular.
That does occur with those with high IQs. And they learn faster and easier. But you can't expect to learn anything if you're daydreaming of horses while you're supposed to be thinking of the stuff to be learned. Grades won't be assessed as high if assignments aren't completed. Not liking doesn't mean not able.
