High Social Status

Post Reply New Topic

I'm too tired to get into philosophy on the subject, but I suppose I do want, to an extent, to be respected at least. I don't require people to admire me, I just want to be treated like a human, not like some weird freak. Since society doesn't seem interested in that, I don't try to interact with society and do my own thing. I've given up caring (for the most part) what other people think of me. If I want to wear armor to the store, then I shall do so.
I just don't like being talked down to, or talked over.

I understand. It seems to us that respect as in being treated as a human does NOT imply any type of hierarchy at all, which is what I think some people are assuming when they use the word "respect".
Perhaps there's another word that better fits what we are talking about, but vocabulary isn't my specialty.
I understand what you are saying though.

yes. I've quoted the terms in this thread, you quoted their terms in the OP.

Exempt from their findings? Absolutely.
Psychological experiments work by taking a concept, then explicitly define what that concept means, then find tests that measure that explicit concept. There is no other way to even come close to remotely measure anything psychology scientifically. This is called making an 'operational definition'.

Oftentimes there will be extrapolations that it can imply something else, or that the operational definition of the term they used then leads to more things, but any researcher worth anything will only very hesitatingly say so with lots of 'maybe' 'could mean that' and other things. In a paper there is -not- going to be any 'oh but you know they implied this' things that are going to be valid, papers do not imply unless they say 'this implies'.
Granted, we didn't actually read the paper only the news article about the paper which is kind of like: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1623

Lastly, if this were anything but WP I would think you were trolling me and having a laugh at getting me to repeat myself like 5 times.

Well then, their news article is clearly rubbish.
Since this is my thread, then it appears you are trolling me.
I have no further questions.

I hate it when people say that everyone is a certain way even if they don't realize it. It leads to people who are different being told that they are in denial. That can lead to those people having low self-esteem. I have experienced that when I was told that all humans are social creatures, therefore everyone would be miserable or go insane if they are alone (to make matters worse, I confused shame with loneliness). All we can really say is "humans tend to have characteristic X".

I don't desire status. While I do care about being listened to, I am okay with people disagreeing with me unless they are saying I am not experiencing the things I say I am experiencing. While I do care about having value in society, I am more concerned with it being possible for me to contribute to people's knowledge, and I couldn't care less if people recognize me for the contribution.

I have a Bachelor






of SCIENCE





IN MATHEMATICS



So, I now outrank many of you in social status, including those of you with lesser degrees.

Well I hate to devolve back into the hierarchy but the intention is to give you low self esteem. If you are not part of the hierarchy you are "other". "Other" is subversive and a threat to a hierarchy so you must either behave the way you are told or be outcast. Whether you see said thing or not is irrelevant, that you comply is all that matters. Hierarchies don't care about right or wrong, true or false, they care only about power: how to increase it and how to use it.

Now that's some pretty vague and conceptual s**t no doubt. But we can apply that philosophy to your situation. Your friends and loved ones share a hive-mind-- this is what we would call culture, or a way of doing things that's been taught since birth and lasts lifelong. If you don't respond to the cues in their culture they don't know how to respond to you, they've only been taught a limited amount of "acceptable" responses and those that don't fit must be disregarded or it could affect their own social status. You are supposed to feel ashamed and have low self-esteem because you don't conform to their culture. If you don't fit to their idea of culture you can't contribute to it and therefore have no value to it. The low self esteem you feel is supposed to force your conformity-- they have numbers and thus power, you being solitary in your opinion do not.

Ever seen the kid on the playground get harassed and the teacher do nothing? That's because the kid getting harassed by his peers doesn't fit in socially and that's unacceptable to all members of the collective, including the teacher. The kid getting harassed may tell the teacher and get in trouble this is because the harassed kid has caused the teacher a problem and thus extra work by "not fitting in" with their peers. The teacher has every incentive to approach the situation like this: it's less work to discipline one child than an entire classroom.

[joking]
I have a Bachelor of I Don't Give a Flying f**k in the discipline of Your Paper Is Merely A Paper Like Mine Is Merely A Paper from the University Of The Reality Of Physics.
[/joking]

Math is the most abstract science, and teaches people to discern the truth.


Edited to add: Take that!

Should we ask to have this thread renamed High School Status, or should we just move on.

That's a really great explanation. Thank you.
But, which one are you?
Do you agree with the logic of the hierarchy? ( as in you don't mind being a player in the game ),
or would you rather be allowed to exist outside of that context?

If you see the current logical structures in action in as much detail as I'm thinking you do, then it's hard for me to think you can't help but vomit, just a little at least.

My views are ever changing based on the evidence I learn, I am a creature of logic and reasoning. I'm one who can't be taught but is great at learning therefore I can't fit the hive mold and am other. Since I was a child I've always felt a strong sense of accepting others as human beings first and foremost regardless of race/religion/sexuality/etc. and couldn't understand why my peers couldn't accept difference. So yeah, it makes me vomit, a lot actually. Your avatar says everything you need to know about me.

^ Well, this is Wrong Planet, so I'm sure there are a lot of "others" here.
That's the primary reason for posting this news article here. They clearly left us out of their survey.
However, that's just part of the deal of being an other. We don't count because we're not in the game.

Nonsense. We just don't realize how much of a positive impact we have on other people because we are bad at picking up on that stuff.

If only we were still a feudal society, and some of us could have high social status simply because of our names or what we own!