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21 Jul 2015, 10:58 am

Isn't this more a PPR or Random discussion?

Does anyone at all really believe in astrological diagnosis of autism?



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21 Jul 2015, 11:00 am

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If the "peers" are only other people from the Rhine Institute - which has yet to produce even one person with consistently repeatable "psychic" abilities - then it is just another pseudo-scientific journal muddying the waters of pure science.

Only this, and nothing more.


I don't think astrology is just pure Science and being aware of my choices in life are something more like going beyond the steps of mankind. One step for mankind, is another gigantic leap for womankind..

I noticed from the replies to this article that more females have come forwards with their attributes whereas sadly the men need more working on to get used to the idea, that nothing stays and remains fertile for long on this Earth.


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21 Jul 2015, 11:13 am

Moonshine wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If the "peers" are only other people from the Rhine Institute - which has yet to produce even one person with consistently repeatable "psychic" abilities - then it is just another pseudo-scientific journal muddying the waters of pure science. Only this, and nothing more.
I don't think astrology is just pure Science ...
As I've already pointed out, astrology is not a science at all.

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I noticed from the replies to this article that more females have come forwards with their attributes whereas sadly the men need more working on to get used to the idea ...
Females are generally more willing to "go along to get along", even when they are Aspies. Males tend to need more convincing, involving evidence and valid demonstrations.

The fact that astrologers can not predict cause from the alleged effect clearly demonstrates not only a lack of reflective causality in their methods, but that there is also no science to astrology whatsoever; only magical thinking combined with post hoc fallacies, bias confirmations, and ad hominem attacks against non-believers.

Astrology, in its traditional form, is based on the claim that the positions and movements of celestial bodies at the time of birth profoundly influence a person's life. Some forms of astrology claim that terrestrial events such as natural disasters are predicted by various celestial arrangements or events. Given the innumerable relationships of celestial items, it would be surprising if one could not find some correlation between earthly events like tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts, fires, etc., and an arrangement of planets in relation to the Sun or Moon. However, Correlation does not prove causality, but it is good enough for most astrologers to use to fool their clients.



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21 Jul 2015, 11:14 am

Moonshine wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If the "peers" are only other people from the Rhine Institute - which has yet to produce even one person with consistently repeatable "psychic" abilities - then it is just another pseudo-scientific journal muddying the waters of pure science.

Only this, and nothing more.


I don't think astrology is just pure Science and being aware of my choices in life are something more like going beyond the steps of mankind. One step for mankind, is another gigantic leap for womankind..

I noticed from the replies to this article that more females have come forwards with their attributes whereas sadly the men need more working on to get used to the idea, that nothing stays and remains fertile for long on this Earth.


Sexism is so charming when womyn do it!



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21 Jul 2015, 11:16 am

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Sexism is so charming when womyn do it!

Hehe [snickers]. :lol:


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21 Jul 2015, 11:18 am

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Does anyone at all really believe in astrological diagnosis of autism?

This is a funny question. I hope not.

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Many years ago, as an undergraduate, I took a Philosophy of Science class (back then, philosophy and religion was an interest of mine). Astrology was the first “pseudoscience” that was debunked. That one was easy. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Seriously. It was that easy. Others required more rigorous philosophical “proofs”. That semester, I did my term paper on debunking preconception (the supposed ability to perceive an event or condition before it occurs).

Philosophy? Science? Well, simply put, it requires a combination of intellectual curiosity and intellectual rigor to be able to distinguish between science and pseudoscience.



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21 Jul 2015, 11:36 am

FNORD wrote:
I noticed from the replies to this article that more females have come forwards with their attributes whereas sadly the men need more working on to get used to the idea ...Females are generally more willing to "go along to get along", even when they are Aspies. Males tend to need more convincing, involving evidence and valid demonstrations.

The fact that astrologers can not predict cause from the alleged effect clearly demonstrates not only a lack of reflective causality in their methods, but that there is also no science to astrology whatsoever; only magical thinking combined with post hoc fallacies, bias confirmations, and ad hominem attacks against non-believers.


Perhaps a valid demonstration is required then to set the world to rights and not undermine the current ethos of female celestial activity.. especially when there is direct access on moonbeams claiming foetal control over birth positions and generally all types of mooning in and out of solar system..
but moving on back to 'science issues' and not the position of the unborn foetus.


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21 Jul 2015, 11:52 am

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Campin cat has saturn and sun exactly 30 degrees apart. This is a semi-sextile which has to be more exact.

In a woman's chart venus is her sexuality, campin cat and kd lang have mars conjunct venus, this can lead to a woman being more masculine or even gay in some circumstances.

Oh, my!! LOL

Well, k.d. lang IS gay----and, even though I've always been very feminine, I've also always ended-up in very male-dominated work-fields; so, that's interesting.





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21 Jul 2015, 11:55 am

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slenkar wrote:
Campin cat has saturn and sun exactly 30 degrees apart. This is a semi-sextile which has to be more exact.

In a woman's chart venus is her sexuality, campin cat and kd lang have mars conjunct venus, this can lead to a woman being more masculine or even gay in some circumstances.

Oh, my!! LOL

Well, k.d. lang IS gay----and, even though I've always been very feminine, I've also always ended-up in very male-dominated work-fields; so, that's interesting.


Working in male-dominated fields is gay? Wow! I learned something new today.



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21 Jul 2015, 2:20 pm

'In some circumstances'

The skeptics are still ignoring the michael shermer video and the abundance of sun saturn aspects in male aspies.
Skeptics ignore anything they cant explain.
Btw how was astrology debunked in the university?



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21 Jul 2015, 2:53 pm

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The skeptics are still ignoring the michael shermer video and the abundance of sun saturn aspects in male aspies.
Skeptics ignore anything they cant explain.


That is the opposite of truth.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... hp?t=97980
http://www.skepdic.com/forer.html

Most people see this kind of BS as fairly harmless--after all nothing serious is based on it: no one actually diagnoses neurological disorders based on astrology just as no one uses homeopathic jet fuel.

But I don't think it is--I think that promoting the idea that such stuff deserves respect is part of what allows "alternative treatment" like the "master mineral solution" (aka industrial bleach) to thrive.
http://www.mms-supplement.com/
Fortunately, the reality-based community has a cure, when the claims are extreme enough:
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/seller-mi ... racle-cure



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21 Jul 2015, 3:38 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
slenkar wrote:
Campin cat has saturn and sun exactly 30 degrees apart. This is a semi-sextile which has to be more exact.

In a woman's chart venus is her sexuality, campin cat and kd lang have mars conjunct venus, this can lead to a woman being more masculine or even gay in some circumstances.

Oh, my!! LOL

Well, k.d. lang IS gay----and, even though I've always been very feminine, I've also always ended-up in very male-dominated work-fields; so, that's interesting.


Working in male-dominated fields is gay? Wow! I learned something new today.

LOL No----but, one might construe it, to be masculine, to be doing "man's work".




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21 Jul 2015, 4:04 pm

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Does anyone at all really believe in astrological diagnosis of autism?

I thought I made my out-look pretty clear already: I say that astrology has some validity.
Perhaps not necessarily in the way that many practice or use it but there are « statistical » factors of influence.

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If the "peers" are only other people from the Rhine Institute - which has yet to produce even one person with consistently repeatable "psychic" abilities - then it is just another pseudo-scientific journal muddying the waters of pure science. Only this, and nothing more.
I don't think astrology is just pure Science ...
As I've already pointed out, astrology is not a science at all.

The scientists of the Rhine-Institute are well-respected by the « unbiased » none-the-less.
The issue here seems to be that the « para-normal/para-psychology » sciences are 0% compatible with your versions & ideas of science since you adhere to 100% objectivism (something that actually happens to be a philosophy for your information). Anyway, unless it is 100% objective, you will not regard it as a science, and since the measurements are « statistical » the results will not always be 100% consistent (probably), although there actually does happen to be a « psychic-measuring » experiment that does show repeatability, consistently, that humans factually have a limited ability to predict or at least sense/feel the future...

(Disclaimer: I have yet to put this experiment into the personal test for myself & getting willing participants)

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The fact that astrologers can not predict cause from the alleged effect clearly demonstrates not only a lack of reflective causality in their methods, but that there is also no science to astrology whatsoever; only magical thinking combined with post hoc fallacies, bias confirmations, and ad hominem attacks against non-believers.

What if I'm a partial-believer or an agnostic-believer ? 8O
Also been pretty sure I don't ad-hominem as I want to look at the merits of the data itself. From what I can tell, I can see weak influences of statistical-correlations, but just wait until you get a load of the « woo » that I'm going to come up with next regarding planetary adjustments & astrological-influences... ;)

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Astrology, in its traditional form, is based on the claim that the positions and movements of celestial bodies at the time of birth profoundly influence a person's life. Some forms of astrology claim that terrestrial events such as natural disasters are predicted by various celestial arrangements or events. Given the innumerable relationships of celestial items, it would be surprising if one could not find some correlation between earthly events like tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts, fires, etc., and an arrangement of planets in relation to the Sun or Moon. However, Correlation does not prove causality, but it is good enough for most astrologers to use to fool their clients.

Correlation certainly does not equal casuation. Also, I have like, noticed very bizarre things going on throughout my life, such to the point that it's as-if though history itself has been changed. <dramatic-sounding tone...> You know what that means... obviously, and clearly, someone is going about time-travelling, and altering history ! I don't exactly know how it works but it seems like there are multiple time-lines currently mixed into the current time-line in which most of us are familiar (well perhaps think that we are familiar with anyway). Leading me to suspect that (and it could go both ways) people are going about via time-travel into manipulating when people are actually born for the sake of proving or disproving astrology, and who knows what else, they might even be knocking some of those planets around, too, creating lots of consistencies and/or inconsistencies amongst various planetary alignments, and these time-travelers are probably a mix of both anti-astrological skeptics and astrological-scientists, each of them trying to force the planets to align/disalign with their own brand of belief/disbelief-system ! :D

I also think that most if not all of these so-called natural-disasters are actually caused by aliens with weather-control technologies (and yes, believe it or not, weather-control patents, yes, PATENTS, have existed since even before the 60's !)
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21 Jul 2015, 4:13 pm

I have about aj 85% succes rate in this thread, the only one who told me I was wrong was the one seething with anger and resentment :D
Anyone can make up their own minds, and can use the information and tools provided here to confirm or test any theory.
Thanks to those who made a positive contribution
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21 Jul 2015, 4:19 pm

Oops I made a mistake typing in camping cats birthday
She has a hard venus saturn aspect
A hard mercury saturn aspect too.

She has mars sextile saturn which gives great discipline with manual things
Like becoming an athlete
Bodybuilder
Or learning a musical instrument.
It doesnt have to be one of those skills, they are just examples.


Hmm kd lang did a 7 hour performance art piece where she was pretending to do heart surgery
Thats the insane discipline these people have.



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22 Jul 2015, 5:46 am

slenkar wrote:
Oops I made a mistake typing in camping cats birthday
She has a hard venus saturn aspect
A hard mercury saturn aspect too.

She has mars sextile saturn which gives great discipline with manual things
Like becoming an athlete
Bodybuilder
Or learning a musical instrument.
It doesnt have to be one of those skills, they are just examples.


Hmm kd lang did a 7 hour performance art piece where she was pretending to do heart surgery
Thats the insane discipline these people have.

Well, I'm totally NOT inclined at athletics and musical instruments----I wish I were----BUT, if "manual things" includes crochet, crafts, and fashion design, I have EXTREME focus, and I EXCEL at those things.




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